QUOTE (Skinny @ Apr 13 2011, 08:12 AM)
QUOTE (demon @ Mar 12 2011, 05:03 AM)
i'm all for the usa policing the world
most parts of the world are not fit to govern themselves
I think I've heard this somewhere before
I think you just proved my statement. But I was actually talking about modern times and not the days of the British Empire.
What the fuck? America has no ability to "police" Europe.
Sadly that's true. God save us! He is our only hope...
You aren't very well informed. The transitional council is the legitimate governing body of Libya as far as anyone who isn't an insane dictator is concerned and they requested armed intervention. This is why the UN exists. Further, calling it a "civil war" is inappropriate because the populace isn't divided - almost everyone wants to see Gaddafi go apart from the military who are basically the only people who had it okay under Gaddafi - they're just the ones with all the weapons.
So I'm not well informed just because I don't acknowledge the Libyan opposition as the legitimate governing body? Gaddafi didn't lose an election and he is the legitimate leader until someone defeats him in one way or another. Dictators are often legitimate leaders. An example of a dictator that is not as legitimate, is Lukasjenko in Belarus, he held an election and cheated. If you want to remove dictators, start with the ones that aren't legitimate.
Civilians are fighting, I call that civil war. You have a better word for it?
So because Gaddafi is from Libya and can rally the army behind him for their own self interest, he's the legitimate ruler of Libya? What the fuck? He's forcing himself onto the people--they don't want him--how is it any different from an invasion (which you are supposedly opposed to)?
Yes Gaddafi is the legitimate leader of Libya. Same as with the rulers of Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, China and many other countries. Some of these was recently overthrown, but they were the legitimate leaders until that point.
You seem to think that the UN is more legitimate than Gaddafi. How can you do that? The UN isn't very democratic and it is forcing themselves upon anyone they see fit. The UN are puppets of the most powerful nations, China one of them. I want to see the day the UN call on military actions or other sanctions against China.