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May 5 2010, 12:56 AM
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Apr 30 2010, 07:15 AM)
Yeah ok I don't get it. It seems like all the candidates are attempting to look as 'moderate' as possible, to the point where they all start sounding the same. Why have the Lib Dems distinguished themselves especially? I watched the debates and he sounds exactly like the other two, except possibly more confident.
The real issue to the small minority of informed Lib Dem supporters (for few voters choose for actual good reasons) isn't that Clegg has acquitted himself fantastically well in the debates. The reason he's polling so well is that there was an unspoken attitude regarding third parties, that they must be third parties because they're abject idiots, and all good people would join the hegemony if they were capable. It has ever been thus, and by being shown on TV not to be an idiot, Clegg showed himself to be at least the intellectual equal of the other two. In answer to the accusation that he is unremarkable or that it is unfair that he was there: it is remarkable that he is there and it is only to redress the 60 years of unfairness that he was allowed to be there. The illusion of the well-meaning failure was utterly destroyed when the lay-voter was allowed to see the third party on a level footing with its otherwise inexplicably more popular rivals.
The real reason for the Lib Dems' success is that they are, in at least one way, genuinely out of the establishment. Rupert Murdoch hates
that a party over whom he cannot exert influence may have some share of power. His vehicles' vicious personal attacks on the man (some completely irrelevant, out of context and wrong -- CLEGG IN NAZI SLUR ON BRITAIN* most famously) and desperately unsubtle propaganda dressed as objective journalism (the Times first edition called the second debate a draw -- the copy that went out in the morning called a Cameron victory). This is a man who has very specific vested corporate interests and who has had the ear of every government for the last 20 years. His papers have never even acknowledged the Lib Dems
And he hate that someone who he (an unelected and unpopular force) doesn't control might have a shot at power.
There are other reasons: Vince Cable is an excellent treasury spokesman amidst a global recession and the party's views on major issues such as Trident and tuition fees are fit well with those of many informed voters. But the main reason for their popularity is that the public have seen three men: a public relations manager, a former Prime Minister and some other guy. The fact that there isn't much difference should not be shocking, but given the way the public has been conditioned, it is. And that shock is enough to put a party in contention.
* Nick Clegg wrote an article about German workers being harassed and called Nazis to the point where they quit their jobs in 2002. He mentioned that this was in part due to an unhealthy obsession Britain has with the war. Fair enough, it does. We have a false sense of grandeur (in thinking Britain is or was the economic, military and political equal of the US/USSR) and a false sense of superiority over Germany and German people unrelated to the war that continues to this day. The right-wing press took it out of context and printed that headline on national front pages.[Edit] That Disgusting Nazi Slur In Full.
QUOTE (Pieface @ Apr 30 2010, 11:07 AM)
Lib Dems look like they're doing well, and distinguishing themselves because the other two won't dare dig into him. Clegg has got them both at his feet, because if it goes to a hung parliament, he's the one to decide who he goes and supports.
Statistically, Cameron attacked Clegg most in the second and third debates, whereas Brown attacked Cameron most. Just sayin'.
QUOTE (demon @ May 1 2010, 07:28 AM)
If this is the true Gordon Brown then I'm happy he forgot to switch off the mic. Good to really know the candidates before the election.
They all have contempt for the electorate. Of course, that Brown should lose out from it is only typical of Labour's situation. I just think it's unfair to assume the best of Cameron, just because his mic has never been on at an inopportune time. After all, old Gideon Osborne is famously no fan of the working man.