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TwoFacedTanner
Okay, so last year, around June/August, my computer completely quit on me.
As in it froze up, I turned it off, and turned it back on. It said my OS was not found. And I was like WTF.
On top of that it wouldnt stay on for too long.
Some nerd I work with said it may have been the power supply, so I go and buy a new one. The computer wouldnt turn on at all with the new power supply, but came on(though it would reboot constantly) with the old power supply.
Anyway, my friend thought it may have been the Hard Drive, so we reformatted it trying to start from the beginning.
That worked fine, but when we try to install the OS again, the computer shuts down/reboots in the middle of the process.
My friend did inform me that I had a bad stick of ram, but at the same time, he says that wouldnt matter too much because the computer doesnt need ram to run BIOS.
Before jumping on my ass, thats what HE said, I don't know a whole lot when it comes to PC hardware.

Its either got to be the RAM, the Power Supply, or the Motherboard. I've googled the shit out of this and can't seem to find a solid enough answer, so I was hoping all you brains out there may be able to help me out, before I buy stuff I don't need.
Edgecrusher
It most likely is the RAM. BIOS doesn't need it to run, but installation programs for OSs use it just as much as any other software. What spec is it and what OS are you trying to install?
TwoFacedTanner
Not sure what you mean by spec, but Im trying to install Windows XP. The computer had/has 1GB of ram 250GB HDD, 3.0Ghz dual core processor, and the graphics card is like some 1GB Card that I picked up at best buy on sale.
Edgecrusher
Have you tried updating your BIOS before install? Are you booting XP from a Floppy or CD? I doubt it, but you may have the boot order wrong. It should be CD>Floppy>Primary HDD if you're booting from CD, or just prioritise the Floppy if that's what you are using. Don't mean to sound patronising, I'm just trying to get an overall picture of what you are doing so I might be able to help.
TwoFacedTanner
I've got the boot order correct, because that was a problem I was having, and I hoped that it was the only problem I had, but I was wrong.
Edgecrusher
What about the BIOS?
TwoFacedTanner
Not 100% sure what the BIOS is. It'll be a week or so before I can find out, the computer is at my friends house and hes in North Carolina right now, and will be until Saturday I think.

I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but the computer originally ran Vista.
Edgecrusher
BIOS is Basic Input-Output System it runs all the hardware on your computer. if you had Vista on there, I doubt you need to update, but you could try anyway, it can't hurt.
TwoFacedTanner
Well I knew what BIOS was, I just didn't know what version of BIOS I had
Edgecrusher
Lol sorry. It should tell you when you boot up.
Spoiler
please be more specific on the shutdown. is it shutting down during copying files from CD to Hard-drive or at which stage the shutdown happens?
TwoFacedTanner
Yes, as its copying the files it will shut down or restart.
Spoiler
during winXP setup, make sure you choose to reformat the hard-disk and installing a clean copy of window. if you choose "repairing the existing window", it would give this problem since you originally have vista. you could refer to this page and this. downgrading from Vista to XP required complete formatting of the hard disk unlike upgrading.

if it's not the case, then i think it is overheating or RAM not enough. there should be a couple cooling fans inside. for RAM, you could try putting different RAM sticks if you have extra.
TwoFacedTanner
I think it is the RAM, I should know by tomorrow. And I had already reformatted the Hard drive, its wiped clean
Spoiler
QUOTE (TwoFacedTanner @ Mar 8 2010, 05:01 AM) *
My friend did inform me that I had a bad stick of ram, but at the same time, he says that wouldnt matter too much because the computer doesnt need ram to run BIOS.
Before jumping on my ass, thats what HE said, I don't know a whole lot when it comes to PC hardware.


yes computer doesnt need RAM to run BIOS but BIOS couldn't load the window by itself. or copying the files and such need more memory.

QUOTE (TwoFacedTanner @ Mar 13 2010, 07:20 AM) *
I think it is the RAM, I should know by tomorrow. And I had already reformatted the Hard drive, its wiped clean


yes, then it should be RAM. good luck, nowadays RAM sticks are pretty cheap any way. smile.gif
TwoFacedTanner
okay, we ran it with the good stick and really didnt get any results.

We ran it with the "bad" stick and it actually started working, then the screen went blue and we got these codes:

0x0000008E
0xc0000005
0x8081a799
0xf8080778
0x00000000
Edgecrusher
I'm all out of ideas. Only other thing that comes to mind is a setting in the BIOS that causes the computer to shut down when it gets too hot, but I don't know if this applies with desktops.
TwoFacedTanner
Okay, I got new RAM, New HD, and it was working, then shut down.....
I THINK it may in fact be my computer overheating now, because after relacing the other stuff I dont get error messages, it just shuts down...so Im gonna get me some arctic silver
DonkeyTits
cpu fan works?
Spoiler
well, you are not too far from assembling a new CPU after all. biggrin.gif
TwoFacedTanner
QUOTE (DonkeyTits @ Mar 14 2010, 01:17 AM) *
cpu fan works?


it works, but we ulled off the heat sink and the thermal compound had dried up, soif this doesnt work, fuck it.
0bs3n3
Ok dudes, I have a problem I think is similar to this. I turned off my computer and later when I went to restart it it comes up with the "Windows did not shut down properly" thing. So I press "Start windows normally", it goes to the Windows loading screen with the loading bar, and then comes up with a blue screen and then restarts. It does this if I press "Last working configuration" as well. The blue screen flashes in like half a second so I have no idea what it says. I've been fiddling around with the F2 setup and stuff but I can't find anything wrong with it. The PC is pretty old, like 3 years, and I only use it to browse the net and use Word. Has 1 GB of RAM. Not sure on what BIOS revision but I could check. Any ideas? I don't really wanna wipe the hard drive because then I'd need to install XP again, meaning I'd have to go buy another copy?

PS: It is definitely not the RAM or fan, I checked both of these by booting to the Dell utilities partition.

EDIT: BIOS is apparently revision 1.0.3. Old?
Spoiler
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Apr 14 2010, 06:19 AM) *
Ok dudes, I have a problem I think is similar to this. I turned off my computer and later when I went to restart it it comes up with the "Windows did not shut down properly" thing. So I press "Start windows normally", it goes to the Windows loading screen with the loading bar, and then comes up with a blue screen and then restarts. It does this if I press "Last working configuration" as well. The blue screen flashes in like half a second so I have no idea what it says. I've been fiddling around with the F2 setup and stuff but I can't find anything wrong with it. The PC is pretty old, like 3 years, and I only use it to browse the net and use Word. Has 1 GB of RAM. Not sure on what BIOS revision but I could check. Any ideas? I don't really wanna wipe the hard drive because then I'd need to install XP again, meaning I'd have to go buy another copy?

PS: It is definitely not the RAM or fan, I checked both of these by booting to the Dell utilities partition.

EDIT: BIOS is apparently revision 1.0.3. Old?


i suggest you start Windows with Safe Mode option instead of "Start Windows Normally". then you copies all your important files to different partition, let's say D: Drive.

Then you restart windows with a winXP CD in your drive, your old one is fine, you don't need to buy another copy. Reuse the one that come with the PC/ laptop.
then choose to start window from DVD Rom Drive instead of your hard drive.

it will prompt you to choose whether to "repair your window" or "format and install a fresh copy". read the instructions carefully and tried to repair first, if can't then, format C: drive.

BUT if you can't log in with Safe Mode then, we have to see the hardwares. Most probably is Motherboard (where BIOS is at) problem.
0bs3n3
QUOTE (Spoiler @ Apr 14 2010, 11:11 PM) *
BUT if you can't log in with Safe Mode then, we have to see the hardwares. Most probably is Motherboard (where BIOS is at) problem.


Yeah, I can't log in with Safe Mode. It comes up with all the system32 text and then just restarts. Also I was able to get a look at that blue screen I mentioned, it just said Windows was restarting to prevent my computer from being harmed. I have most of my important files on my USB, so can I just try restarting windows with the xp CD in the drive?
Spoiler
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Apr 14 2010, 11:13 PM) *
QUOTE (Spoiler @ Apr 14 2010, 11:11 PM) *
BUT if you can't log in with Safe Mode then, we have to see the hardwares. Most probably is Motherboard (where BIOS is at) problem.


Yeah, I can't log in with Safe Mode. It comes up with all the system32 text and then just restarts. Also I was able to get a look at that blue screen I mentioned, it just said Windows was restarting to prevent my computer from being harmed. I have most of my important files on my USB, so can I just try restarting windows with the xp CD in the drive?


yes, you could do that since you have back up files. you got nothing to lose after all.
0bs3n3
lol turns out I literally melted the hard drive.
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