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Heartless
If you know who Geert Wilders is, what do you think of him?
TreeFitty
I'm assuming it's this guy? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglasm...ling-the-truth/
0bs3n3
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Feb 2 2010, 03:40 PM) *


Yeah.

He's awesome.
Skinny 
I can't say I'm a fan, but he certainly shouldn't be on trial.
TreeFitty
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Feb 2 2010, 12:10 AM) *
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Feb 2 2010, 03:40 PM) *


Yeah.

He's awesome.


From what the article says he seems to be in one hell of a situation. I'm interested to see his movie when I get a chance.
0bs3n3
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Feb 2 2010, 06:06 PM) *
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Feb 2 2010, 12:10 AM) *
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Feb 2 2010, 03:40 PM) *


Yeah.

He's awesome.


From what the article says he seems to be in one hell of a situation. I'm interested to see his movie when I get a chance.


It's shit (the trial, not the movie). I don't suppose they'd ever stop to think those stupid posters Muslims hold up might offend the native population of Holland? Of course referring "God bless Hitler" "Europe you will pay" etc.

Liberal white guilt complex, please fuck off.
TreeFitty
Watched his film. I can see why some people might be upset (namely muslims) but he definitely does not deserve to be in jail over it. I almost want to see a longer film.

For anyone who hasn't seen it (need to log in to view it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcev1K-NOc It's 16 minutes long.
Spoiler
i forgot my youtube acc password. from the article, this guy knows what the Dutches want. And the trail's ridiculous since if i remember correctly Holland newspaper printed the Mohmmad cartoons first.
Heartless
From Wikipedia:

(His political views)

Considerable reduction of taxes and state regulations.
The present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, will be replaced by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.
Reduction of the influence of the European Union, which may no longer be expanded with new member states, especially Turkey; the European Parliament will be abolished. Dutch financial contributions to the European Union should be reduced by billions of euros.
An immigration ban of five years for immigrants from non-western countries. Foreign residents will no longer have the right to vote in municipal elections.
A ban of five years on the founding of mosques and Islamic schools; a permanent ban on preaching in any language other than Dutch. Foreign imams will not be allowed to preach. Radical mosques will be closed and radical Muslims will be expelled.
Educational standards will be restored, with an emphasis on the educational value of the family.
Introduction of binding referenda and elected mayors, chiefs of police and prime ministers.
Introduction of minimum penalties, and higher maximum penalties; introduction of administrative detention for terrorist suspects. Street terrorism will be punished by boot camps and denaturalisation deportation of immigrant offenders.
Teachers, policemen, health care workers and military personnel will regain a position of respect and be better rewarded.
The health care system should not be complicated by reorganisations but be more accessible and humane, especially for elderly citizens.
Darth Sexy
I don't agree with all of his policies, but the fact that he is on trial is fucking ridiculous. Watch as freedom slowly dies.
Heartless
QUOTE (Darth Sexy @ Feb 3 2010, 02:36 AM) *
I don't agree with all of his policies, but the fact that he is on trial is fucking ridiculous. Watch as freedom slowly dies.


Well Aussie, you can watch as our freedoms die, but yours are long in the grave.
Skinny 
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 4 2010, 05:16 AM) *
QUOTE (Darth Sexy @ Feb 3 2010, 02:36 AM) *
I don't agree with all of his policies, but the fact that he is on trial is fucking ridiculous. Watch as freedom slowly dies.


Well Aussie, you can watch as our freedoms die, but yours are long in the grave.

We're not that bad, lol.
Heartless
That bad he says! HAHAHA, comedic genius.
Skinny 
It's pretty shit (I intend to leave), but it's not so bad that it sticks out as a fascist regime.
Heartless
QUOTE (Lelouch vi Britannia @ Feb 3 2010, 11:08 PM) *
It's pretty shit (I intend to leave), but it's not so bad that it sticks out as a fascist regime.


Only because you're still capitalist. Imagine if you had some whacky government like socialism or communism, then the world would view you as some sort of assbackwards shithole. What happened when England showed any sign of Socialism, hmmm? A half starved raghead went and tossed their entire empire out the fucking window! America was riding high on the fumes of WW2 and then we bottomed out when? When we took on a socialist program! And now that we have a muslim in office, the entire bleeding world talks about how millions of Americans are starving and need free laptops!
Hardcore Ottoman
I don't know what's funnier, Heartless, or the addition of "free laptops" at the end of that sentence.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 3 2010, 06:16 PM) *
QUOTE (Darth Sexy @ Feb 3 2010, 02:36 AM) *
I don't agree with all of his policies, but the fact that he is on trial is fucking ridiculous. Watch as freedom slowly dies.


Well Aussie, you can watch as our freedoms die, but yours are long in the grave.
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 4 2010, 04:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Lelouch vi Britannia @ Feb 3 2010, 11:08 PM) *
It's pretty shit (I intend to leave), but it's not so bad that it sticks out as a fascist regime.


Only because you're still capitalist. Imagine if you had some whacky government like socialism or communism, then the world would view you as some sort of assbackwards shithole. What happened when England showed any sign of Socialism, hmmm? A half starved raghead went and tossed their entire empire out the fucking window! America was riding high on the fumes of WW2 and then we bottomed out when? When we took on a socialist program! And now that we have a muslim in office, the entire bleeding world talks about how millions of Americans are starving and need free laptops!
You're losing your touch; since when were you Dutch?
Heartless
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Feb 12 2010, 02:13 PM) *
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 3 2010, 06:16 PM) *
QUOTE (Darth Sexy @ Feb 3 2010, 02:36 AM) *
I don't agree with all of his policies, but the fact that he is on trial is fucking ridiculous. Watch as freedom slowly dies.


Well Aussie, you can watch as our freedoms die, but yours are long in the grave.
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 4 2010, 04:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Lelouch vi Britannia @ Feb 3 2010, 11:08 PM) *
It's pretty shit (I intend to leave), but it's not so bad that it sticks out as a fascist regime.


Only because you're still capitalist. Imagine if you had some whacky government like socialism or communism, then the world would view you as some sort of assbackwards shithole. What happened when England showed any sign of Socialism, hmmm? A half starved raghead went and tossed their entire empire out the fucking window! America was riding high on the fumes of WW2 and then we bottomed out when? When we took on a socialist program! And now that we have a muslim in office, the entire bleeding world talks about how millions of Americans are starving and need free laptops!
You're losing your touch; since when were you Dutch?


Well, to recap: (not that it's any business of yours) My fathers side of the family is descended from, a long while back, a Gothic tribe in the north of Germany, or rather, present day Holland. During the Hundred Years war they were an incredibly prosperous Bavarian family, but after the war, were broke and went back north and then into Holland. They spent this time mostly as vagrants, and later began to migrate over to America. My Grandfather was one of those people, and as an interesting point, joined the US Navy in WW2 for citizenship. (Imagine sinking your buddies, huh?) He had a son here, who would have a daughter in Germany later, two more girls and then me.

My Moms side is pretty boring. They are just some English/Irish/German/whatever who came over when New York became a British colony and became farmers.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
If your grandad was Dutch, then he wasn't sinking his buddies. Rather he was reclaiming his bicycle.
Heartless
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Feb 12 2010, 04:11 PM) *
If your grandad was Dutch, then he wasn't sinking his buddies. Rather he was reclaiming his bicycle.


And there is the heart of the argument. Wilders is attempting to reclaim his bicycle.
TreeFitty
QUOTE (Geert Wilders @ Feb 12 2010, 06:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Feb 12 2010, 04:11 PM) *
If your grandad was Dutch, then he wasn't sinking his buddies. Rather he was reclaiming his bicycle.


And there is the heart of the argument. Wilders is attempting to reclaim his bicycle.


It all makes perfect sense. O_O
Hardcore Ottoman
... he's taking it back!
Massacre
Like porch monkey?
Hardcore Ottoman
Yep.
Massacre
Fuckin' A. Porch Monkey 4 Life.
Heartless
NCP
Hello guys,

it's been a while since I've written something here, but this is a point of interest.
I'm in Afghanistan at the moment, so I'm not updated with Wilders' stuff. However I know that he has quite a lot of pretty radical points, which won't ever make it, into parlement. In the Netherlands you need more than 50% of the vote to become a leading party, since no party here gets that amount of votes, they need to make agreements with other parties to get over that 50%, it's called the coalition. One ridicilous point of Geert is that he wants to ditch, the navy, the army and the airforce, he only wants to keep the Marine Corps. Now that's not really a bad idea wink.gif , but no other party is going to agree with that. So when the coalition starts talking each other, he'll say: ok I'll throw away this statement and then you throw yours away. That way it's easy for him to negociate, though I'm not happy about the immigrants in the Netherlands, they're in all of the Dutch history. We had the Indonesians, the Surinam people. Just like it's in the history of the USA and Australia. England aswell, because they had a lot of colonies also.
The immigrants will adapt, it'll just take a generation. Though we shouldn't change the image of the streets, we don't want mosques. They look nice in muslim countries. Not here smile.gif .
Allright cheers mates!
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