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0bs3n3
So I was watching this episode of Top Gear and they were mocking people from Cheffield. And it got me thinking, why are there so many different accents on such a small island? Being a predominately British forum, can anyone give me a brief rundown of the major ones? How geographically separated are they?
Psy
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.
ViceMan
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:56 AM) *
So I was watching this episode of Top Gear and they were mocking people from Cheffield. And it got me thinking, why are there so many different accents on such a small island? Being a predominately British forum, can anyone give me a brief rundown of the major ones? How geographically separated are they?


You mean Sheffield. There's quite a lot of local dialects, you have to remember we've been invaded countless times by the Vikings, Normans, Romans, Angles, Saxons and many others. Then there were the indigenous celtic tribes already living here.

Generally I think Cornwall has a pretty standard accent which isn't too noticeable. Then heading up to London you have various dialects, a third of London is made up of the Pakistani, Indian and other communities, so those factor in alot and influence the accents there. In the East-end of London there's a strong accent which I won't refer to as cockney because it's so outdated, but it's like it. The most noticeable trait of this accent is the removal of the 'H' at the beginning of words, with also extends to some words beginning with 'Wh'. We also have this in Essex, being just East of London, and we're regarded as I guess the equivilant of Alabama in America - yokels that nobody can understand, the scum of society, but this mainly refers to the south of Essex (the part i'm from) along the Thames estuary rather than rural Northern Essex. Although I do talk in the usual Essex drawl when i'm with friends I wouldn't say my accent's that bad, I frequently use large long-winded words quite competently. Unfortunately, the common chav is rife here, with wiggers trying to sound like ghetto gangstas, making them barely comprehensible, but it makes them look "cool" and "hard".

I'm not going to go into detail about other accents because it'll be nothing more than a long, uneducated and unverified laugh at their expense, but i'll say this; Liverpool and Manchester have fucking hideous accents. I've never visited anywhere North of Stevenage so I guess in that respect i'm lucky. The Midlands and the North have many different accents, which can vary from town to town.



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No, we all talk completely perfectly, there are no dialects or regional accents, and everybody charmingly and politely waves to each other in the street, before offering them a cup of tea and a crumpet. In fact, the way we are depicted on Family Guy is totally accurate, and nobody ever ever gets stabbed or shot since we're too girly for weaponry. It's such a wonderful life.
Marney1
And Bradford was invaded by Pakistan.
The Awesome One
I find it amazing how scousers can understand each other. I dont have a clue what they are saying. I just nod. I suppose scousers cant understand cockneys though.

While we are on the subject of accents, I would like to say that posh people dont have their own accent. I know plenty of posh people. Ive been up to horse races, none of the people ive spoken to have a posh accent. Some do speak more formal, but they do not put on a voice.
DiO
QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


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Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 29 2009, 11:20 PM) *
I find it amazing how scousers can understand each other. I dont have a clue what they are saying. I just nod. I suppose scousers cant understand cockneys though.

While we are on the subject of accents, I would like to say that posh people dont have their own accent. I know plenty of posh people. Ive been up to horse races, none of the people ive spoken to have a posh accent. Some do speak more formal, but they do not put on a voice.
Mate, try a semester at an ancient university..."Oh darling yah I do love your hair, is it backcombed or did you use a hairdryer? I'm meeting Gregor later and we're going out on the razz, but do you fancy popping in to Jack Wills first? Oh please let's, it's ever so cold."
trathen93
accents do vary a lot in certain areas though. widnes, where i live, is just outside of liverpool. its about a 10-15 min drive from huyton (where i hail from, yes its a part of liverpool) yet the accent is totally different. the wooleybacks round here (google it if you dont know what they are) generally seem to be amazed by my accent, yet liverpool isnt far away. if i could count the number of times ive been asked to say chicken.
Marney1
QUOTE (Destruction-Overdriv @ Dec 30 2009, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


edit


Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.

No, it's not offensive - when you're out of your own city people will hear your accent and ask "Are you a Geordie" "Are you a Scouser" etc. Everyone knows where the accents come from so if you reply that you're a Scouser then they know you're obviously from Liverpool.

@El-Nino - "Finger lickin' fuckin' chicken!!"

@CC - Scousers can understand everyone but if I was with you and El-Nino and wanted to tell him something I didn't want you to know I could just speed up what I was saying and you wouldn't have an igloo what I'd just said but he would.

Psy might stand a chance though because he's never off the Kop.
Psy
QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 30 2009, 01:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Destruction-Overdriv @ Dec 30 2009, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


edit


Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.

No, it's not offensive - when you're out of your own city people will hear your accent and ask "Are you a Geordie" "Are you a Scouser" etc. Everyone knows where the accents come from so if you reply that you're a Scouser then they know you're obviously from Liverpool.

@El-Nino - "Finger lickin' fuckin' chicken!!"

@CC - Scousers can understand everyone but if I was with you and El-Nino and wanted to tell him something I didn't want you to know I could just speed up what I was saying and you wouldn't have an igloo what I'd just said but he would.

Psy might stand a chance though because he's never off the Kop.

True dat. I'm practically an adopted scouser.
The Awesome One
Im not originally from London- I moved there eariler this year. I always used to go up Stamford Bridge with my family.(Still do) I never really noticed the accent. There is a cockney accent however-its just a bit soft.
ViceMan
Stop callling it cockney, every time you do that an American envisions Dick Van Dyke. It's just the standard South East London accent.
OptimumPx
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Stop callling it cockney, every time you do that an American envisions Dick Van Dyke. It's just the standard South East London accent.

It's true!



I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.
ViceMan
QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Dec 31 2009, 06:03 PM) *
I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.


Well, if you have more space, naturally you're going to spread out and use it. We don't so you don't have to travel far to find different accents. Although I don't know how far i'd have to travel to find a different accent from my house, either to the newsagents down the road, or I could just hop onto the A13 into London. Most of Southern Essex is chav lingo, which is like cockney but gangstafied and bling'd with cygnet rings, classy.
OptimumPx
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 01:25 PM) *
QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Dec 31 2009, 06:03 PM) *
I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.


Well, if you have more space, naturally you're going to spread out and use it. We don't so you don't have to travel far to find different accents. Although I don't know how far i'd have to travel to find a different accent from my house, either to the newsagents down the road, or I could just hop onto the A13 into London. Most of Southern Essex is chav lingo, which is like cockney but gangstafied and bling'd with cygnet rings, classy.

It's not even that really.

Not taking in the US as a whole let's compare North Carolina and England.

Now then: England's total area is 130,395 km2 and as you guys have said the people in London have completely different accents from the people who live in Liverpool. These two cities are (about) 210 miles apart according to Google Maps.

North Carolina's total area is 139,509 km2 and the two biggest cities are Charlotte and Raleigh (located about 151 miles apart). The citizens of these two cities have the same accent.

Even if you factor in Columbia, South Carolina (225 miles south of Raleigh) you have the same basic accent.
ViceMan
Well, you'll sometimes get Scousers in London (not very often 'cause they're banned from anywhere south of Birmingham.) And sometimes you'll get Mancs in Cornwall (again, not often for the same reason and others.) So it's quite diverse. And native accents have been corrupted somewhat by foreign influences, so you could have a Polish scouser, although i've never heard one.
Heartless
America has three primary accents: The Upper North East (owing to Yiddish, German and Ye Olde English), the Deep South Redneck (owing to French, Spanish), and the Dumbshit South West Surfer Dood (owing to years of exposure to head bleach and Chinese food.). Once you get that down, you quickly start to see who sounds similar and why. Take South Carolina and Louisiana. Just about everyone in between speaks the same twangy accent, with only a little difference between.
Marney1
On the edge of Liverpool (Huyton) where El-Nino comes from there is a small bridge which crosses over a motorway into a town called Prescot. Once you cross that bridge into Prescot everyone talks with a Lancashire ee by gum accent, there is no fading out of the scouse accent it just stops.
ViceMan
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?

"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."
Marney1
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?

"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."

That would be strange.
0bs3n3
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?
"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."


Are the English the worst at speaking English? lol
ViceMan
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Jan 1 2010, 01:47 AM) *
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?
"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."


Are the English the worst at speaking English? lol


Not really, it's our language so we can do what the fuck we want with it. I'm sure there are yokels in America who speak worse.
Skinny 
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Dec 30 2009, 12:04 PM) *
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 29 2009, 11:20 PM) *
I find it amazing how scousers can understand each other. I dont have a clue what they are saying. I just nod. I suppose scousers cant understand cockneys though.

While we are on the subject of accents, I would like to say that posh people dont have their own accent. I know plenty of posh people. Ive been up to horse races, none of the people ive spoken to have a posh accent. Some do speak more formal, but they do not put on a voice.
Mate, try a semester at an ancient university..."Oh darling yah I do love your hair, is it backcombed or did you use a hairdryer? I'm meeting Gregor later and we're going out on the razz, but do you fancy popping in to Jack Wills first? Oh please let's, it's ever so cold."

That is fucking badass.
Iced Coke
Interesting point on this subject, on the Isle of Wight (a small island off the coast of Great Britain, but still part of it) there is another slight change in accent. But the most important thing is, people raised on the Isle of Wight will say "Somewhen" instead of "sometime", among others. It's odd, that just a different area has a slight change in the spoken language.

How do I know this? I used to holiday there alot, and as a fact I say somewhen instead of sometime. I only realised when a friend who goes boating on the Isle of Wight pointed it out! Shows how it changed my upbringing!
Marney1
QUOTE (Iced Coke @ Jan 3 2010, 08:55 PM) *
Interesting point on this subject, on the Isle of Wight (a small island off the coast of Great Britain, but still part of it) there is another slight change in accent. But the most important thing is, people raised on the Isle of Wight will say "Somewhen" instead of "sometime", among others. It's odd, that just a different area has a slight change in the spoken language.

How do I know this? I used to holiday there alot, and as a fact I say somewhen instead of sometime. I only realised when a friend who goes boating on the Isle of Wight pointed it out! Shows how it changed my upbringing!

I wish you hadn't told us that, now I'm going to be saying "somewhen" for the next month lol.
trathen93
someones personal interest can affect it too. i found that the console bashers use different terms than others would. another example is a rugby fan, people at a rugby game i went to(i know, it was a mistake) use some strange terms.
The Awesome One
QUOTE (El-Nino @ Jan 4 2010, 07:42 PM) *
someones personal interest can affect it too. i found that the console bashers use different terms than others would. another example is a rugby fan, people at a rugby game i went to(i know, it was a mistake) use some strange terms.

Yea, I dont know know what the word "Try" means either.
Massacre
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 4 2010, 05:23 PM) *
Yea, I dont know know what the word "Try" means either.

Do or do not, there is no try.
Zacko
Down here at the shit end of the country I'd say we have the worst accents, thankfully mine isn't as noticeable as others probably because my dad is Scottish and that's kinda countered it resulting in frankly, a fairly strange accent (can hear it in the pronunciation of a word like 'down').

An old Cornishman is pretty much impossible to understand when he's talking in full flow, even more so than someone with a thick Scouse accent.
trathen93
QUOTE (Zacko @ Jan 14 2010, 01:47 AM) *
.......An old Cornishman is pretty much impossible to understand when he's talking in full flow, even more so than someone with a thick Scouse accent.


it was easy to understand my granddad and he was from Cornwall. although it could depend where abouts he was from or how long he had been up here in liverpool, im pretty sure he was from st ives
Zacko
QUOTE (El-Nino @ Jan 17 2010, 12:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Zacko @ Jan 14 2010, 01:47 AM) *
.......An old Cornishman is pretty much impossible to understand when he's talking in full flow, even more so than someone with a thick Scouse accent.


it was easy to understand my granddad and he was from Cornwall. although it could depend where abouts he was from or how long he had been up here in liverpool, im pretty sure he was from st ives


St Ives is a bit more "diluted" so that might have been why. Although thinking about it, I haven't heard that many Scousers with a full on accent... tongue.gif
new major on the block
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Jan 1 2010, 05:08 AM) *
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Jan 1 2010, 01:47 AM) *
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?
"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."


Are the English the worst at speaking English? lol


Not really, it's our language so we can do what the fuck we want with it. I'm sure there are yokels in America who speak worse.


Maybe, but at least we have better teeth tongue.gif
ViceMan
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Jan 18 2010, 09:37 PM) *
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Jan 1 2010, 05:08 AM) *
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Jan 1 2010, 01:47 AM) *
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?
"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."


Are the English the worst at speaking English? lol


Not really, it's our language so we can do what the fuck we want with it. I'm sure there are yokels in America who speak worse.


Maybe, but at least we have better teeth tongue.gif


Urban myth, are you saying all Americans have perfect teeth? Even the hillbilly hick incest-craving ones?
Marney1
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?
The Awesome One
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?

Your picture on the "post a pic of yourself" topic. tongue.gif
Marney1
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?

Your picture on the "post a pic of yourself" topic. tongue.gif

Which if you remember were a nice set of gnashers. biggrin.gif
The Awesome One
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?

Your picture on the "post a pic of yourself" topic. tongue.gif

Which if you remember were a nice set of gnashers. biggrin.gif

Yea, I miss those gnashers. I dont know why, but I cant get close to them anymore. happy.gif
Marney1
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:18 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?

Your picture on the "post a pic of yourself" topic. tongue.gif

Which if you remember were a nice set of gnashers. biggrin.gif

Yea, I miss those gnashers. I dont know why, but I cant get close to them anymore. happy.gif

Don't push it, I only unblocked you because I thought Duff had blocked you all together but it seems you're not Alex after all.
The Awesome One
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:18 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Kaptain.Kuntz @ Jan 18 2010, 10:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 18 2010, 10:02 PM) *
Where the fuck does this Brits having bad teeth come from?

Your picture on the "post a pic of yourself" topic. tongue.gif

Which if you remember were a nice set of gnashers. biggrin.gif

Yea, I miss those gnashers. I dont know why, but I cant get close to them anymore. happy.gif

Don't push it, I only unblocked you because I thought Duff had blocked you all together but it seems you're not Alex after all.

Lol. You unblocked me?

You didnt unblock me. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif One more to show how sad I actually am.. sad.gif
demon
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Dec 29 2009, 11:56 AM) *
So I was watching this episode of Top Gear and they were mocking people from Cheffield. And it got me thinking, why are there so many different accents on such a small island? Being a predominately British forum, can anyone give me a brief rundown of the major ones? How geographically separated are they?

I guess you mean Sheffield.
Yes you have got many different accent for such a small island. We have alot of dialects in Norway, and some dialects that are not understood in other parts of the country. But we are a small population on a large land so it's not strange that we have alot of dialects that are very different.


QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 29 2009, 03:04 PM) *
And Bradford was invaded by Pakistan.

Said Ragnarofl?


QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Dec 31 2009, 07:03 PM) *
I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.

So where did Queen Elizabeth get her accent (or lack of accent) from? Do they speak like her on Buckingham Palace only? And on the BBC?
I like how the queen talks. If I were a brit I would talk like her.


QUOTE (Heartless @ Dec 31 2009, 08:37 PM) *
America has three primary accents: The Upper North East (owing to Yiddish, German and Ye Olde English), the Deep South Redneck (owing to French, Spanish), and the Dumbshit South West Surfer Dood (owing to years of exposure to head bleach and Chinese food.). Once you get that down, you quickly start to see who sounds similar and why. Take South Carolina and Louisiana. Just about everyone in between speaks the same twangy accent, with only a little difference between.

Where do you place Texas on the "map of accents"? You don't mention it but it should be Deep South?
Does not the North-West have their own accent?

I like American English, I don't think I can learn Queen Elizabeth's way of talking so I talk a strange American accent. You have maybe noted that I tend to type US English too. It comes natural to me because in some ways it's similar to my Norwegian dialect.

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