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PabloHoneyOle
In case you've had your head up Santa's ass the past weekend...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airliner_disturbance

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ROMULUS, Mich. – A Nigerian man who said he was an agent for al-Qaida tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane Friday as it was preparing to land in Detroit, but travelers who smelled smoke and heard what sounded like firecrackers rushed to subdue him, the passengers and federal officials said.

Flight 253 with 278 passengers and 11 crew members aboard was about 20 minutes from the airport when passengers heard popping noises, witnesses said. At least one person climbed over others and jumped on the man. Shortly afterward, the suspect was taken to the front of the plane with his pants cut off and his legs burned, a passenger said. Law enforcement officials said the burns indicated the explosive was strapped to his legs.

One U.S. intelligence official said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

"It sounded like a firecracker in a pillowcase," said Peter Smith, a traveler from the Netherlands. "First there was a pop, and then (there) was smoke."

Smith said a passenger sitting opposite the man climbed over people, went across the aisle and tried to restrain the man. Syed Jafri, another passenger, said he saw a glow and smelled smoke. Then, he said, "a young man behind me jumped on him."

"Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic," said Jafri. Smith said the heroic passenger appeared to have been burned.

The White House said it believed it was an attempted act of terrorism and stricter security measures were quickly imposed on airline travel. It did not specify what those were.

The incident was reminiscent of Richard Reid, who tried to destroy a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001 with explosives hidden in his shoes, but was subdued by other passengers. Reid is serving a life sentence.

Law enforcement officials identified the suspect in Friday's attempted attack as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab. One law enforcement official said the man claimed to have been instructed by al-Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil, but other law enforcement officials cautioned that such claims could not be verified immediately, and said the man may have been acting independently — inspired but not specifically trained or ordered by terror groups.

All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

Another law enforcement official, also speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the case, said Mutallab's name had surfaced earlier on at least one U.S. intelligence database, but not to the extent that he was placed on a watch list or a no-fly list.

Mutallab was being questioned Friday evening. An intelligence official said the Nigerian passenger was being held and treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital. One passenger was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman Tracy Justice said. She referred all inquiries to the FBI.

The trauma burn center at the hospital said it did not have Abdul Mutallab in its unit.

Flight 253 began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit, said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., the ranking GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee.

A spokeswoman for police at the Schiphol airport in Amsterdam declined comment about the case or about security procedures at the airport for Flight 253. Schiphol airport, one of Europe's busiest with a heavy load of transit passengers from Africa and Asia to North America, strictly enforces European security regulations including only allowing small amounts of liquid in hand luggage that must be placed inside clear plastic bags.

A spokesman for the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria, Akin Olunkunle, said all passengers and their luggage are screened before boarding international flights. He also said the airport in Lagos cleared a U.S. Transportation Security Administration audit in November.

"We had a pass mark," spokesman Akin Olukunle said. "We actually are up to standards in all senses."

There was nothing out of the ordinary about the flight until it was on final approach to Detroit, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That is when the pilot declared an emergency, she said. The flight landed at 12:01 p.m. EST, she said.

Delta Air Lines Inc., which bought Northwest last year, said that "upon approach to Detroit, a passenger caused a disturbance." It said the passenger was subdued immediately and the crew asked that law enforcement officials meet the flight.

"The passenger was taken into custody and questioned by law enforcement authorities," the airline said.

According to the airline, eight flight attendants and three pilots were on board.

Smith said while he was leaving the plane, he looked at where the man had been sitting and saw a pillow that seemed to have been burned. Melinda Dennis, who was seated in the front row of the plane, said the man involved was brought to the front row and seated near her. She said his legs appeared to be badly burned and his pants were cut off. She said he was taken off the plane handcuffed to a stretcher.

President Barack Obama was notified of the incident and discussed it with security officials, the White House said. It said he is monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates from his vacation spot in Hawaii.

Federal officials said there would be heightened security for both domestic and international flights at airports across the country, but the intensified levels would likely be "layered," differing from location to location depending on alerts, security concerns and other factors.

Passengers can expect to see heightened screening, more bomb-sniffing dog and officer units and behavioral-detection specialists at some airports, but there will also be unspecified less visible precautions as well, officials said.

The FBI and the Homeland Security Department issued an intelligence note on Nov. 20 about the threat picture for the holiday season, which was obtained by The Associated Press. At the time, officials said they had no specific information about attack plans by al-Qaida or other terrorist groups.

In 2003, al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden purportedly marked Nigeria for liberation in a recording posted on the Internet, calling on Muslims in the oil-rich country to rise up against one of the "regimes who are slaves of America." But links to al-Qaida remained rare, though security forces claimed to break up such a linked terror cell in November 2007.

Delta, which is days away from obtaining a single operating certificate from the FAA to fully integrate itself and Northwest, has been hosting military personnel who have to travel over the holidays in a lounge at the Detroit airport.


Every time I fly, I'm ready for this kind of shit to happen.
TreeFitty
I remember the first report to come out was that it was someone setting off firecrackers. Then all of a sudden it was terrorism the next day.
Marney1
Something iffy with that incident, I mean they let him on without a passport even though he was on a terror watch list.
Claims he was trained in Yemen by al-qaeda and there are many more there just like him. Yemen will get bombed now because of this fictional story.
Massacre
My concern is this: One guy tried to hide a bomb in his shoe, and now we take our shoes off at the airport. This guy hid a bomb in his pants, so...
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 28 2009, 12:39 PM) *
Something iffy with that incident, I mean they let him on without a passport even though he was on a terror watch list.
Claims he was trained in Yemen by al-qaeda and there are many more there just like him. Yemen will get bombed now because of this fictional story.

I heard Obama fabricated this story in order to access Yemen's Qat supply.

Seriously though, if you're on a terror watch list, you shouldn't be able to fly anywhere.
Marney1
QUOTE (Stoic Person Eater @ Dec 28 2009, 06:06 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 28 2009, 12:39 PM) *
Something iffy with that incident, I mean they let him on without a passport even though he was on a terror watch list.
Claims he was trained in Yemen by al-qaeda and there are many more there just like him. Yemen will get bombed now because of this fictional story.

I heard Obama fabricated this story in order to access Yemen's Qat supply.

Seriously though, if you're on a terror watch list, you shouldn't be able to fly anywhere.

He was seen at the airport prior to boarding with a smartly dressed man who accompanied him into a side room and that same man was taken into custody with him by the FBI. Then the FBI said they only took the 'bomber' into custody - so who was the smartly dressed man? Very fishy indeed and I think it's just another set-up to impose more control and take away more of our rights.
I might sound crazy for saying that but the 'official' story is a joke.
PabloHoneyOle
If I was on that plane, I probably would have beat that person to death with any blunt object I could get my hands on.

QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 28 2009, 01:12 PM) *
He was seen at the airport prior to boarding with a smartly dressed man who accompanied him into a side room and that same man was taken into custody with him by the FBI. Then the FBI said they only took the 'bomber' into custody - so who was the smartly dressed man? Very fishy indeed and I think it's just another set-up to impose more control and take away more of our rights.
I might sound crazy for saying that but the 'official' story is a joke.

Source?
Marney1
QUOTE (Stoic Person Eater @ Dec 28 2009, 06:16 PM) *
If I was on that plane, I probably would have beat that person to death with any blunt object I could get my hands on.

QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 28 2009, 01:12 PM) *
He was seen at the airport prior to boarding with a smartly dressed man who accompanied him into a side room and that same man was taken into custody with him by the FBI. Then the FBI said they only took the 'bomber' into custody - so who was the smartly dressed man? Very fishy indeed and I think it's just another set-up to impose more control and take away more of our rights.
I might sound crazy for saying that but the 'official' story is a joke.

Source?

Not my original source but it has the same story.'Bomber'

OptimumPx
According to that story the 'smart dressed man' didn't board the plane with Mutallab and stayed behind in Amsterdam.

After all, if you'll notice the person (Haskell) who claims to have seen the 'smart dressed man' saw "another man being taken into custody," not the 'smart dressed man,' "another man." Although it is possible that he didn't actually see someone be arrested, but only thought he did. After all at that stage the FBI wouldn't have known about any other accomplices as the plane had only recently landed.
PabloHoneyOle
I think the scariest part of this whole ideal is that we will NEVER know the truth.

Don't trust your government.
Marney1
An obvious patsy if ever there was one. They keep trying to scare us by telling us how sophisticated al-CIAda is and then comes one of their operatives with the intention of blowing a plane out the sky yet doesn't have the brains to get himself a passport.
Also the detonator was 'faulty' which brings me to conclude that this whole episode wasn't to bring down the plane but to cause maximum panic which could be used to enforce even more spying on law abiding citizens.
Stasi 21st century style.
bOnEs
what a fucking joke... billions of dollars later and we can still board a plane with a bomb... i could of thought of a billion things we could of spent that money on... security will always be a joke, there's always ways pass security...

i agree with marney (which only seems to happen with politics)... it's probably more of a scare tactic... the government probably personally let this man on the plane themselves... pretending to be security, pretending to do a background check, pretending to be a government...
Marney1
Our governments aren't interested in our freedom they're only interested in having total control over us. In times of panic the public are quick to agree with all these new 'anti-terror' laws without stopping to think what freedoms they're giving up.
Our 'elected' officials are laughing at us because we fall for it hook line and sinker every time. Where are the independent media these days to look past the smoke and mirrors? All corporate media goes along with whatever they're told to so that's what empty headed people believe.
They're very quick to forget first hand accounts of 'terror' incidents from the people who were there but maintain the governments 'findings' which read like a Tom Clancy novel. Stop believing the politicians and mainstream media and start thinking for yourself, ask yourself the obvious questions which the media never seem to ask.

Fuck me - this went from The Asylum to General.
new major on the block
Yall need to get a life and quit thinking that the world is out to get you. It was a situation that happened the way it happened. He was obviously disturbed and wanted to blow up a plane but wasn't successful, simple as that. Now he will spend the rest of his life in prison where he will spend 23hrs a day with two big guys named Bruno and Tyrone. The Govt isn't out to take your freedoms and screw you over and scare you and make you cower to their all mighty will.........unless of course you live in an arab state.
Marney1
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Dec 29 2009, 01:08 AM) *
Yall need to get a life and quit thinking that the world is out to get you. It was a situation that happened the way it happened. He was obviously disturbed and wanted to blow up a plane but wasn't successful, simple as that. Now he will spend the rest of his life in prison where he will spend 23hrs a day with two big guys named Bruno and Tyrone. The Govt isn't out to take your freedoms and screw you over and scare you and make you cower to their all mighty will.........unless of course you live in an arab state.

LOOK EVERYONE! ^ A perfect example of a perfect citizen - as the western powers like you to think.
TreeFitty
Paranoia is a hell of a drug.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Dec 28 2009, 09:40 PM) *
Patriotism is a hell of a drug.

Marney1



Skinny 
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Dec 29 2009, 01:40 PM) *
Paranoia is a hell of a drug.

It said in the fucking article that they plan to increase airport security...
bOnEs
isn't "new major" a military man? yea, they're trained to say stuff like that... the government is never at fault according to a military man... my brother was in the military (navy) and he talked just like this until he got out...
Skinny 
Clearly the government wasn't responsible for this. It is, quite frankly, absurd to think that they could keep a conspiracy like this quiet. What I'm worried about is the government exploiting this to justify spending needless billions on arbitrary precautions that won't stop terrorism. They aren't known for being pragmatic; politicians and voters.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE (Skinny  @ Dec 29 2009, 11:15 AM) *
Clearly the government wasn't responsible for this. It is, quite frankly, absurd to think that they could keep a conspiracy like this quiet. What I'm worried about is the government exploiting this to justify spending needless billions on arbitrary precautions that won't stop terrorism. They aren't known for being pragmatic; politicians and voters.

Perhaps you have heard of a little conspiracy called 9-11.

Nothing happened with this instance except a negro lighting his trousers on fire. Before you say it couldn't be a conspiracy, we should let more than a weeks time progress, wait for the facts to start flowing.
Skinny 
QUOTE (Stoic Person Eater @ Dec 30 2009, 03:57 AM) *
Perhaps you have heard of a little conspiracy called 9-11.

What?

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Before you say it couldn't be a conspiracy, we should let more than a weeks time progress, wait for the facts to start flowing.

I don't need to wait for anything, because the very notion of this being a government conspiracy is flawed. Everyone who profited from it would be in on it, and obviously so would a few people underneath them, nobody could resist blabbing. Not to mention customs workers, where a few groups work independantly to look for this sort of thing, and they would all have to be in on it. They would blab! Even if their conscious didn't get to them, greed would - any media outlet would pay millions for this sort of story.
bOnEs
it's not necessarily a conspiracy... but, like you said skinny, a means to pass more meaningless laws that don't stop the problem yet, take away more freedoms... you can't even bring a fucking bottle of water on to a plane anymore... what's next? no luggage because luggage could contain bombs?!...
Skinny 
A no carry on luggage policy doesn't seem so unrealistic anymore.
Massacre
QUOTE (bOnEs @ Dec 29 2009, 11:00 AM) *
isn't "new major" a military man? yea, they're trained to say stuff like that... the government is never at fault according to a military man... my brother was in the military (navy) and he talked just like this until he got out...

ohmy.gif The government trains people to be retarded?!
Skinny 
QUOTE (Massacre @ Dec 30 2009, 04:44 AM) *
QUOTE (bOnEs @ Dec 29 2009, 11:00 AM) *
isn't "new major" a military man? yea, they're trained to say stuff like that... the government is never at fault according to a military man... my brother was in the military (navy) and he talked just like this until he got out...

ohmy.gif The government trains people to be retarded?!

Yes, it's called public schooling.

LOLOLOLROFLMAOBBOOOL
bOnEs
QUOTE (Massacre @ Dec 29 2009, 12:44 PM) *
QUOTE (bOnEs @ Dec 29 2009, 11:00 AM) *
isn't "new major" a military man? yea, they're trained to say stuff like that... the government is never at fault according to a military man... my brother was in the military (navy) and he talked just like this until he got out...

ohmy.gif The government trains people to be retarded?!

no, they brainwash them into saying and doing what they want them to do... which means, my brother had to say "bush is right" all the time... when he got out, he bitched about all of that... what he was forced to say and do and how to act... basically, if you bashed the government, you were bashing the military and all of it's citizens... that kind of talk got you in the brig...

yea, we're no different than the nazi's anymore to be honest...
Massacre
QUOTE (Skinny @ Dec 29 2009, 12:52 PM) *
QUOTE (Massacre @ Dec 30 2009, 04:44 AM) *
QUOTE (bOnEs @ Dec 29 2009, 11:00 AM) *
isn't "new major" a military man? yea, they're trained to say stuff like that... the government is never at fault according to a military man... my brother was in the military (navy) and he talked just like this until he got out...

ohmy.gif The government trains people to be retarded?!

Yes, it's called public schooling.

LOLOLOLROFLMAOBBOOOL

The disturbing part is that you're right.

QUOTE (bOnEs @ Dec 29 2009, 12:54 PM) *
no, they brainwash them into saying and doing what they want them to do... which means, my brother had to say "bush is right" all the time... when he got out, he bitched about all of that... what he was forced to say and do and how to act... basically, if you bashed the government, you were bashing the military and all of it's citizens... that kind of talk got you in the brig...

yea, we're no different than the nazi's anymore to be honest...

What a load of shit. I don't think the violence is worth joining the military, anymore.
bOnEs
dude, i just read in the paper that they were telling passengers (on other flights of course) to keep their hands visible and don't use your iPod... you see, pretty soon they're gonna make us wear our seatbelts for the duration of the flight and only allow one bathroom break per flight... no more alcohol, no more laptops, no more video games... just sit still and look forward for 4 hours with your hands in the air... no talking please...
PabloHoneyOle
I'm not going to fly anymore, plain and simple.

I'm not supporting an industry that transports terrorists and then fucks me in the asshole when they do it. The Director of Homeland Security can shove a Boeing 747 in her asshole, I'm done with it.
The Awesome One
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Dec 29 2009, 01:08 AM) *
Yall need to get a life and quit thinking that the world is out to get you. It was a situation that happened the way it happened. He was obviously disturbed and wanted to blow up a plane but wasn't successful, simple as that. Now he will spend the rest of his life in prison where he will spend 23hrs a day with two big guys named Bruno and Tyrone. The Govt isn't out to take your freedoms and screw you over and scare you and make you cower to their all mighty will.........unless of course you live in an arab state.

In England he will be in a cell for about 5 years, then he would be let out into the free world to make space for people who defended themselves. By the way, im NOT joking.
new major on the block
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 29 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Dec 29 2009, 01:08 AM) *
Yall need to get a life and quit thinking that the world is out to get you. It was a situation that happened the way it happened. He was obviously disturbed and wanted to blow up a plane but wasn't successful, simple as that. Now he will spend the rest of his life in prison where he will spend 23hrs a day with two big guys named Bruno and Tyrone. The Govt isn't out to take your freedoms and screw you over and scare you and make you cower to their all mighty will.........unless of course you live in an arab state.

In England he will be in a cell for about 5 years, then he would be let out into the free world to make space for people who defended themselves. By the way, im NOT joking.


Well unless he gets off on a technicality, he's probably spending the rest of his life in a federal prison.
Marney1
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Dec 29 2009, 10:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 29 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (new major on the block @ Dec 29 2009, 01:08 AM) *
Yall need to get a life and quit thinking that the world is out to get you. It was a situation that happened the way it happened. He was obviously disturbed and wanted to blow up a plane but wasn't successful, simple as that. Now he will spend the rest of his life in prison where he will spend 23hrs a day with two big guys named Bruno and Tyrone. The Govt isn't out to take your freedoms and screw you over and scare you and make you cower to their all mighty will.........unless of course you live in an arab state.

In England he will be in a cell for about 5 years, then he would be let out into the free world to make space for people who defended themselves. By the way, im NOT joking.


Well unless he gets off on a technicality, he's probably spending the rest of his life in a federal prison.

Poor little negro patsy.
Skinny 
I somehow doubt that they'll get rid of inflight entertainment.
Ragnarofl
Obama - you're Hiter, if you want to prove that you're not an Arab lover Muslim, start NOW an attack on Yemen. That's what I have to say.
Marney1
Haskell was in effect called a liar by the FBI when he claimed he saw a second man being taken into custody. They denied anyone else had been arrested and they maintained this until the other day after Haskell challenged them publicly to prove him a liar. They have now admitted another man was taken into custody.FoxNews
He also claims another man filmed the entire flight mostly directing his camera in the suspects direction and even stood up and continued to film (seemingly very calm) when the detonation occurred.
OptimumPx
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 11:38 AM) *
Obama - you're Hiter, if you want to prove that you're not an Arab lover Muslim, start NOW an attack on Yemen. That's what I have to say.

....Hitler? Really? You're comparing a black 'Arab lover Muslim' to Hitler, and with a straight face too!

Why do people still insist on saying he's a Muslim? After all that talk and controversy over his his preacher at the church he attended (the Trinity United Church of Christ) for over 20 years? You would think that would cover it, but noooooo. dry.gif

Also, hes running two unpopular wars as it is. I don't see anybody (except for you) calling on him to open another front and attack another country that we'll then have to post troops to protect and rebuild.
Ragnarofl
QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Jan 2 2010, 10:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 11:38 AM) *
Obama - you're Hiter, if you want to prove that you're not an Arab lover Muslim, start NOW an attack on Yemen. That's what I have to say.

....Hitler? Really? You're comparing a black 'Arab lover Muslim' to Hitler, and with a straight face too!

Why do people still insist on saying he's a Muslim? After all that talk and controversy over his his preacher at the church he attended (the Trinity United Church of Christ) for over 20 years? You would think that would cover it, but noooooo. dry.gif

Also, hes running two unpopular wars as it is. I don't see anybody (except for you) calling on him to open another front and attack another country that we'll then have to post troops to protect and rebuild.


I just think that instad of wasting the time talking about conspiracies while Obama... Does even less than you (one that matter at least), America shouldn't give up so quickly to whatever the Islamic world trying to get. I mean, Obama could also say "well, the guy failed, so why even bother talking about it", which isn't much far from what he actually does. I belive America should protect itself from terrorists. Will you be so calm if the Al-Qaeda terrorist successed in his mission? I don't think so. Remember 9 / 11? You do realize that if the terrorist really wanted to, he could kill everyone including the pilots and crash into a building? That's why I think America should act BEFORE the next 9-11.

Yemen isn't a strong country, and with the trained American pilots, this country could be cleaned out of terror long time ago. I guess some of the conspiracy is right, I can't see any other reason why America not even TRYING to clean the other countries (Iraq and Afganistan aren't enough, and as there is less terror in the other countries, I don't see why can't America send some F-16s to weak countries like Yemen).
OptimumPx
Question: If there was a second man on the plane who was in on the plot taping the whole event, why would he be doing so?

If the plan was successful (as was planned) then the plane would have been destroyed and the remains would have plummeted to the ground destroying the the camera and film in the process.

It doesn't make any sense.
Marney1
QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Jan 2 2010, 06:42 PM) *
Question: If there was a second man on the plane who was in on the plot taping the whole event, why would he be doing so?

If the plan was successful (as was planned) then the plane would have been destroyed and the remains would have plummeted to the ground destroying the the camera and film in the process.

It doesn't make any sense.

This is what makes me think the 'device' was never intended to go off properly and the 'terrorist' seemed to be staring into space and not altogether there according to witnesses. He seemed to be very quick to tell the FBI everything they needed to know too and why is it that an 'al-qaeda' linked group we've never heard of always seem to want to claim responsibility for 'failed' attacks?
Ragnarofl
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.
Marney1
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?
Ragnarofl
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?


So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?
Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.
Marney1
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?


So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?
Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.
Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

Ragnarofl
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?


So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?
Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.
Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?


So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.
Marney1
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 08:15 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?


So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?
Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.
Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?


So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

Fuck me you really are stupid.
Ragnarofl
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 01:01 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 08:15 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Jan 3 2010, 12:43 AM) *
QUOTE (Ragnarofl @ Jan 2 2010, 07:10 PM) *
^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?
There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.
They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.
You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?


So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?
Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.
Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?


So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

Fuck me I really am paranoid.

Marney1
It has nothing to do with paranoia it's just people wanting to know the truth. Don't you think people should be told the truth?
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