QUOTE (LoonaTyk1 @ Dec 4 2009, 10:37 PM)
and they should keep their traditions. the whole race issue bugs the hell out of me. most of the racist crap i see now days is started by non whites. everytime a white gets something better or attacks another race its racism but the other way around isnt ?? bullshit. racism in america now days is mostley fanned by the likes of jesse jackson & al sharpton . when they disappear america will be a better place (somewhat). maybe the ones who had low scores on their exams are just fucking stupid. how can a test be made easier for a white man to score on than someone else ?? thats saying hes smarter and thats not true so the ones who score low are just "dumb". I hate racism but i get it from other races all the time because i'm white.
Of course, one person will always see hate towards himself but never others simply because you aren't in another group's shoes. It's just not possible silly. And you are right, when a black man hates on a white man is considered racism (especially if you believe in race as a scientific truth to begin with...). Racism is systemic; institutional. It is not fanned by those two people alone. Please don't make me laugh ever again. When they disappear someone else will take their place and they will continue to make me laugh as well, but systemic racism will still exist. Maybe those who had lower test scores had a determinable reason behind their lack of ability. So instead of simply calling low test-scorers stupid, maybe you should actually support your assertion. And perhaps the reason you cannot see how a test can be tailored to white men is because you're looking at it wrong. The tests are fair tests, but the playing field isn't fair and so those who aren't allowed in the same field cannot compete competently. This disparity exists even when black and white men of the same class are examined statistically.
The racism that I bring up is not personal racism, it is a highly impersonal, systemic racism that is perpetuated by not allowing people of other ethnicity to attain positions at high levels even when they are qualified (which is not the subject of this argument anyway so basically ignore this for now).
QUOTE (Heartless @ Dec 5 2009, 01:20 AM)
That's fine, but none of that's in the article. But this is:
"The city said that under a federal civil rights law known as Title VII, employers must ban actions such as promotion tests that would have a "disparate impact" on a protected class, such as a specified race or gender. The group of firefighters, claiming they were wronged by the city's action, then sued, calling themselves the "New Haven 20.""
What I understand is that under Title VII, if a protected class (whatever the hell that is) doesn't get enough brownie points, nobody does. You seem to be twisting this around to fit your own agenda.
I meant that I determined all of that from that statement. That statement is simply ensuring that a promotion test is not made at a time and in a manner in which employees of a specific ethnicity or gender may not be prepared for it due to their statistical disparity within the racist power system. Yes, I am calling it that. And yes, they should throw out any promotion that specifically disparages a certain group because that is fucking wrong to begin with... I'm not twisting it around at all. I'm trying to show you a different perspective so get over it.
QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Dec 7 2009, 07:28 PM)
If the majority of the test takes are WHITE then the majority of the people who pass the test and get the raise should be white.
WHITES ARE THE MAJORITY IN AMERICA.... THEY SHOULD GET THE MAJORITY OF THE PAY RAISES porportionately...
But they don't get a proportional raise accounted for difference in majority of group size. They get a much higher amount period. So I agree with you raises should be proportional, but the truth is the status quo is not.Also, if you don't know shit you don't deserve a pay raise. Thats just the wait it is.
I agree. I also agree there should be an even playing field so that you can test all peoples at the same level, but this is not so. So this is why I argue for those people of color who've a significant disadvantage in the system.OOH LETS FEEL SORRY FOR THE STUPID AFRICAN AMERICANS. Also, LETS MAKE SURE THAT FROM THE 80 WHITE PEOPLE AND 20 BLACK PEOPLE WE PICK 10 WHITES AND 10 BLACKS 2 MAKE THIS FIAR!
That's not how it works. Affirmative Action, for example, was to be used in matters where both an equally black man and an equally white man are considered for a position. Since historically the white man would be chosen over the black man for reasons that may have been more obvious back then but harder to understand today (systemic racism, linguistic racism), the black man who be selected for a change. Now this would seem okay as long as the motion to do this was as silent as a white employer hiring a white man without considering his skin color consciously. But since Affirmative Action brings a conscious attention to skin color, it also brings understandable contention. In truth, I'm sure both the white man and the black man wouldn't mind if they were both given the position without getting in the way, etcetera. Should be 16 whites and 4 blacks if you split it up soley on race.. but really, whats wrong with seeing if someone is smart enough to get the raise.
Nothing. But if you are testing several groups, you better make sure you are testing those on the same level of opportunity. Okay?Tired of all the AFF action bullshit. If your stupid your stupid and if thats genetic (which your implying that it is) then thats too bad. I don't believe in the opportunity BS.. if you go to school and get A's the NAACP or some organization is going to sponsor you. OFC if you act like a punk and gangbang around then once you turn 20 decide to get your life on track... well good for you but don't tell me about your "lack of opportunities"
Was someone actually linking
ethnicity with genetics? Please tell me no.Punxtr is acting like a oversensitive *****
No shit what the "Just get the right damn people" means. It has nothing to do with race and you never implied it. Anyone who was able to turn that into "Looking for white people" is just an Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson wanna be.
I am over-sensitive. Friends of mine who are black have been fired for not cutting off their dreads (when company policy doesn't prohibit it), and I've really seen some eye-openers of the system actually screwing black people in general. Getting the right people ignores the reality of the un-level field of opportunity and so simply always going against the person who scored lower without questioning why is ignorant and raicst. If you ignore the reality of the white power system even when it is explained to you, you are racist.How, specifically. By giving blacks bonus points? Or is that by using a quota system to hire more blacks than whites proportionately? Or maybe its the fact that the government apologized for slavery and made arrangements for reparations? Or perhaps its the NAACP and all the support it gives to white people and not to blacks?
No, by preventing them for a couple hundred years from buying land, building equity, getting proper healthcare so that families wouldn't pass down disorders and genes caused by not having the money to get proper care that a white family has a historical better chance of. I'm talking about laws preventing black families from moving into areas of white residence. Not being able to vote for officials that actually cared about them. The reason aware black people are so bitter is because the system has fucked them for centuries and now they have to work hard as hell to catchup up now that the field of opportunity is finally smoothing out.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. I wasn't alive a "Century" or a "millinia" ago so "my own" didn't exist then. SO STFU!
My previous response will explain to you just a taste of how you can benefit from a system without even knowing it.
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 16 2009, 07:54 AM)
White rights? About time.
You've got to be kidding me. White rights have existed for centuries and you act like they haven't. You sir are beyond ignorant.
And that is it by the way guys. If I really wanted to convince you guys I would try to do so in person in small groups with more respect than what the Internet affords.
Happy New Year.