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0bs3n3
Don't you find it kinda weird when people tell you that you're (well, assuming you're like me tongue.gif) 'intolerant' and 'fracist' because I don't like immigrants trying to impose their culture over mine (read: Muslims and Sharia Law)? Isn't that kind of hypocritical though; their not tolerating *our* culture and trying to impose theirs over the top of it? Isn't that intolerance? Discuss.
Tranque
I would respond but you're not being specific. I have no idea what you consider to be imposing.

Some people think that having legal documents translated into spanish is imposing.

Personally I live in NYC and never has a mexican approached me, held a gun to my head, and taught me "De Colores"
TreeFitty
Depends how much they are being intolerant or "pushing" their culture on you. In America we have "whatever culture appreciation day" type things but that's about the most force there is overall.

I'm sure it's different for Aussie's than American's since different cultures is a regular thing here.
0bs3n3
Well I'll give you an example then:

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks - It's our culture that we dress like we do, who's being intolerant here?

This isn't Australia but it's well known Muslims want Sharia Law in Britain.

Sharlia Law and Australia

Then there is plenty of Lebanese youths posting videos on YouTube with pictures of the continent with a superimposed Lebanese flag over the top and the words "Under new management". Yet I'm the intolerant one for speaking out against it?
OptimumPx
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Oct 17 2009, 11:48 PM) *
Then there is plenty of Lebanese youths posting videos on YouTube with pictures of the continent with a superimposed Lebanese flag over the top and the words "Under new management". Yet I'm the intolerant one for speaking out against it?

Clearly you are! smile.gif

But seriously, what I can't stand are two groups: those who seem to refuse to learn even basic English (beyond the phrase 'I no speak English'), and those who seem to think that they don't HAVE to wait in line.

The first applies to all immigrant groups really. You ask them if you can help them and all they do is stare at you blankly then point. Awesome!

The second mostly seems to apply to Asians really...they will take their things and cut an entire line, placing their items in front of the person first in line. Makes me want to stab them in the eyeballs.
TreeFitty
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Oct 17 2009, 11:48 PM) *

Okay, this is a Muslim leader trying to help a fellow Muslim [man] who fucked up and using their culture as a way to say "it's not his fault". So yes he is trying to push his culture but the reason is to shift the blame from the raper to the women. Parts of the article have people agreeing the leader is retarded. Then they go back to him later saying he didn't mean it that way, that's not what he said, the raper is guilty, blah blah blah. They also mentioned the leader hasn't been getting on his people's good side lately.


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This is more of a culture push than the previous, where as they want similar styles of governing and laws to be implemented. Nothing really wrong with looking at new ways to accomplish things. They ran into some sex-eqaulity issues and probably some other things that didn't sit well.

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Then there is plenty of Lebanese youths posting videos on YouTube with pictures of the continent with a superimposed Lebanese flag over the top and the words "Under new management". Yet I'm the intolerant one for speaking out against it?


it's kids. just make an australian flag over their country. tongue.gif
Skinny†
You need to be more specific; you can make yourself sound like the victim when you use hyperbole, anyone can. What are you actually complaining about, immigration in general, or just assholes like those lebs? Immigration in general is obviously a positive thing, there aren't a fixed amount of jobs in a country... and I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with you about the sharlia law craving lebs.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
I've never felt this whole "foreigner in my own country" bit conservatives roll out every so often. Easily 80% of my friends in high school were less than three generations off the boat, and I attend the most diverse university in the country in terms of integration of 1st generation immigrants. So, strange as it might be, I don't think of "those people" as distinct from myself.

Sure, there's my first year flatmate Michał, a Polish neocon who burned a swastika into his bedroom wall. There's the Malaysian medics society, who sit at the front and seem to know literally no english that doesn't pertain to anatomy and pharmacology. And there's my Pakistani landlord Mr Gaffur, who couldn't call someone to fix our radiator for all of Ramadan (for reasons I still don't fully understand).

People I know have been raised by different cultures, and sometimes it's a bit inconvenient, accommodating them when they're not willing to make an effort to reciprocate. But at the same time, there are white, anglo-saxon protestants who are unreasonable dicks too -- and worse, with their sense of entitlement to a peice of arbitrary land that they've done nothing for. I wouldn't trade my friends - whose parents no doubt once struggled with the language - for a country full of those ignorant assfucks. Diversity, fuck yeah.
Skinny†
^ you should post that graph about BNP guys not knowing any minorities v.gif
anomalous_result
QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Oct 18 2009, 04:48 AM) *
Well I'll give you an example then:

Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks - It's our culture that we dress like we do, who's being intolerant here?

This isn't Australia but it's well known Muslims want Sharia Law in Britain.

You're conflating an immigrant with religion. It's the purpose of religions to evangelise hence you get Catholics ramming the fact that barrier contraception/abortion/pre-marital sex is immoral down your throat, but we don't chastise them because... they're born here? Also Jews have their own regulations in Britain in the form of Beth Din, surely we should allow Muslims the same freedom?

edit: Basically stop the douchebag tribalism, one world ffs. You get twats everywhere, you also get alright people everywhere, just because there are some douchebag immigrants doesn't mean they all are, much like the native population.
The Awesome One
The problem with immergration is the fact that they dont live by our law and take benefits. The Gurkhas are the only people who dont live on our country but choose to come here who should be allowed to take benefits.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Oct 18 2009, 09:53 PM) *
The problem with immergration is the fact that they dont live by our law and take benefits. The Gurkhas are the only people who dont live on our country but choose to come here who should be allowed to take benefits.
That's a bit of a scary set of words.
Hardcore Ottoman
I've never seen or heard of an immigrant taking my job or getting benefits by sitting on their asses. The first case I came to the conclusion from not hearing anything, the second from my personal experience with many friends who have immigrant labor parents.
Skinny†
QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Oct 19 2009, 07:53 AM) *
The problem with immergration is the fact that they dont live by our law and take benefits. The Gurkhas are the only people who dont live on our country but choose to come here who should be allowed to take benefits.

What the fuck? No, they don't.
Darth Sexy
Immigration requires tolerance on both sides. The immigrant does need to embrace their new culture, if they want to fully be accepted into their new society, but I think it's also important that they keep ties to their native culture. If someone has a problem with immigration, they'd better stop going to Chinese, Indian etc. restaurants, though.
Leon Kennedy
QUOTE (Darth_Sexy @ Oct 19 2009, 01:45 AM) *
Immigration requires tolerance on both sides. The immigrant does need to embrace their new culture, if they want to fully be accepted into their new society, but I think it's also important that they keep ties to their native culture. If someone has a problem with immigration, they'd better stop going to Chinese, Indian etc. restaurants, though.

I don't have a problem with people coming over here from other countries and wanting to keep ties to their own culture. Bring all of the culture you want with you - I happen to like chinese food and egyptian art and that stuff. What I have a problem with is them bringing it with them and forcing us (read: the US) to have to push our own culture off to the side so theirs can be out in front and pushed on everyone who was already here before them. Examples? How about making every official document have to be written not only in English but in Spanish as well. And let's not forget that we can't force them to bend to our culture. Nope - we can't push ours on them, but they can push theirs on us. Love the double standard.
Skinny†
QUOTE (Marilyn.Manson @ Oct 20 2009, 02:20 AM) *
How about making every official document have to be written not only in English but in Spanish as well.
I wasn't aware that the US had an official language...
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (‹berPimpGendoIkari @ Oct 19 2009, 10:24 PM) *
QUOTE (Marilyn.Manson @ Oct 20 2009, 02:20 AM) *
How about making every official document have to be written not only in English but in Spanish as well.
I wasn't aware that the US had an official language...


Thankyou.

If it wasn't for having the driving license test in Italian, my grandfather would have never passed. He used to argue only to take it in English. He failed continuously until he took it in Italian. It's really there for the benefit of certain people, whether they be immigrants or not.
LoonaTyk1
as long as i can keep living the way i like to , i don't care how many immigrants come over here . i just want them to want the same thing . to live their life the way they see fit without being persecuted for it . their culture does nothing but add to the American culture.
Marney1
Unless you can pass a basic english language test you shouldn't be allowed into the UK.
I would accept it as reasonable if somewhere like Germany (for example) told people not to bother visiting unless you could speak basic german. I think this is the least any foreigner to a country could do to at least show some respect.
LoonaTyk1
maybe if you're going to live there but not just to visit . i don't expect every tourist who visits america to learn english first . now as far as coming here to work , learn english .
ViceMan
The problem with getting foreigners to learn the language is they'll be taught by someone who speaks a standard, clear pronunciation of that language, not taking into account dialects. I'm sure they'd have trouble understanding Marney. wink.gif I tend to speak with my Essex accent if i'm taking to mates, but put some effort into removing it when talking to strangers.
TreeFitty
whenever i'm giving directions to foreigners i use simple words (and a lot of hand gestures).
The Awesome One
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Oct 21 2009, 08:02 PM) *
The problem with getting foreigners to learn the language is they'll be taught by someone who speaks a standard, clear pronunciation of that language, not taking into account dialects. I'm sure they'd have trouble understanding Marney. wink.gif I tend to speak with my Essex accent if i'm taking to mates, but put some effort into removing it when talking to strangers.

I dont understand marney. I tend to nod and pretend to listen when northerners talk to me.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
So hey how about them Nicks?



Article's a bit rubbish, but it's the first news result about the show. Man got ripped to shreds, says a lot about his closed-door immigration policies. It was pretty hilarious when he tried to conflate completely unrelated ideas and got stomped by Dimbleby. And when Jack Straw laid down the law. And whenever Bonnie Greer said anything.
0bs3n3
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Oct 23 2009, 10:58 AM) *
So hey how about them Nicks?



Article's a bit rubbish, but it's the first news result about the show. Man got ripped to shreds, says a lot about his closed-door immigration policies. It was pretty hilarious when he tried to conflate completely unrelated ideas and got stomped by Dimbleby. And when Jack Straw laid down the law. And whenever Bonnie Greer said anything.

The whole lynch mob attitude of the crowd and panel was kind of ironic...
Marney1
QUOTE (ViceMan @ Oct 21 2009, 07:02 PM) *
The problem with getting foreigners to learn the language is they'll be taught by someone who speaks a standard, clear pronunciation of that language, not taking into account dialects. I'm sure they'd have trouble understanding Marney. wink.gif I tend to speak with my Essex accent if i'm taking to mates, but put some effort into removing it when talking to strangers.

De do do but don'y de do la, wadja mean ay?
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
On reflection, that was a propaganda coup for the Nazis.
Mekstizzle
I think it's stupid how people think that people have to "accept other cultures", nobody is forcing anyone to accept shit. You can live a normal life without "accepting other cultures" whatever that even means.

I just find it weird that people think that immigrants come in and then force others to accept their cultures. I think most people get confused between the words tolerate and acceptance, now who's the idiot foreigner who can't speak or understand English, eh?

Although I do admit that it's annoying when immigrants come and then act like idiots. Generally speaking nearly every where you go you're not ever going to get First gen immigrants who will completely integrate.
TreeFitty
Well ofcourse they act like idiots because they are in a new place. I wouldn't expect a foriegner to jump right into a new place without any adjustment period.
Heartless
OPX -

The US has no standard of language for a reason. And as it stands, we're the only nation to do so. Further, do as I do and learn the language of thine enemy; it will aide you when the nuclear storm comes. I assure you brother, it says in the good book. Read Micah 7:13 and you shall know!

Passionate Homo -

I'll say this: You sound like a douche. Not a flame, but really. A fucking douche. How petty and small minded are you, exactly? Here's a standing bet; I'll give you a hundred dollars (American, you foreign bastard) when you graduate for every foreigner who graduates with you that remains in your country to start practicing medicine. You show me one single slanty eyed wop with a turban fetish who starts up El Sheik De Rotti Canis' Pharmaceticila Company and I'll show you a green dog.

anomalous -

You're an idiot. The reason countries like America have succeeded and continue to do so is because they make the small minority feel repressed and thus work harder for a brighter future. Well, except for the niggers. But then, we've handed them everything since we dragged them from the bush, now haven't we.

KK, or CC, or whatever the hell you call yourself:

Learn to spell before you sit at the grownup table.

punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.

Lelouch:

Yes they do.

Darth Sexy:

Now that I have the recipe for curry, is there any reason for them to stay?

Leon Kennedy: (stupid fucking game, off topic)

Has a really valid point here. Try it out next time your at Uni (snicker). When you see those black kids with their African club sign, thrown one up that says "Whites Club" and see how well it goes over. You'll be surprised to see what real diversity looks like then. Like the inside of a festering worm ridden vagina I gather.

Mek:

Total fucking irony out of you, Paki. You're brown so you're allowed to accept whatever level of tolerance you want. Well, isn't that shit after all? Oh good, the funny little brown people can decide for themselves wether or not their culture will be tolerated on an individual basis. Don't act so high and mighty when it's you we're talking about here. It's not you that's the problem, it's your mentality that is. And I don't care how many generations off the boat you are, it never fucking changes.
0bs3n3
In the paper today some twat was complaining that Australia is a racist country and then goes on to tell his story about how his Asian restaurant is so successful in - wait for it - Australia. If we were racist we wouldn't go to an Asian restaurant.

Yes, it's fine for him to generalise that ALL white Australians are racist because of one incident that happened to him nine years ago, but if I did that to any minority rolleyes.gif
Spoiler
i read somewhere that there are indians being murdered in Australia and they are creating a protest.
0bs3n3
QUOTE (SPOILER @ Jan 21 2010, 02:30 AM) *
i read somewhere that there are indians being murdered in Australia and they are creating a protest.


No, there was one Indian who got set on fire, and is still under police investigation but they said it is a real possibility that he either set himself on fire or the perpetrators might not have even been White. I don't know where they got the idea from considering it was at night and dark and there were no witnesses...

Even so, does that make all Anglo-Australians racist? Just because of the actions of a few? Isn't that generalising? rolleyes.gif
Spoiler
everybody is racist in a little way. we Asians are racist too. these Indians ARE racist because they bring the whole issue down to race without even finding out what really happens.

considering that whites used to enslave the world, it is now everybody is crying "racist" whenever they are not happy with a white person in general. if a black guy call another black "Nigga", it's not racist. but if a white guy called it, u be damned to hell.

No, it doesn't make Anglo-Australians racist. Those who always bring any issue down to race are racists.
P-nut
QUOTE (marney1 @ Oct 20 2009, 08:21 PM) *
Unless you can pass a basic english language test you shouldn't be allowed into the UK.
I would accept it as reasonable if somewhere like Germany (for example) told people not to bother visiting unless you could speak basic german. I think this is the least any foreigner to a country could do to at least show some respect.

wow, that would effectively kill the tourism-industry in any place that would pass that law

but anyways, yes I do feel that if you decide to stay in a country for a while you should at least try to learn its' language, but really, sometimes its not even neccesary. I worked for 4 months in greece as a beachboy for a watersport company, managed perfectly using dutch, english, french and italian. not greek. why? all my customers were tourists. same goes for alot of people here in amsterdam - the guys working in coffeeshops (read, 'hasjbars', we call em coffeeshops) especially. most of their clientele are (mostly british) tourists so anyone speaking only english can do that job. even tho I'm dutch, I speak dutch and applied for a job here in holland, I wouldnt have gotten the job if I wouldnt know how to speak english. the company I work for survives because of tourists who cannot speak dutch. tourists who wouldnt have been allowed to enter my country would we have this stupid policy.

now, in the broader perspective of immigration, people tend to forget their own history. australia? would have been full of aboriginals if it werent for a bunch of europeans looking for a better future. same goes for the states. why blame people who are looking to improve their life for bringing a bit of their culture? then blame your great-great-grandfather for bringing yours.

hey, we're all a bunch of africans in the end
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 17 2010, 05:43 AM) *
punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.


Just shut the fuck up now you fucking dick. I've paid for almost everything in my possession since I got my first job at 15. You're so fucked up it's strange, we used to get along well.
Massacre
Most people on here got along okay before we were old enough to care about politics and all the other shit that's wrong with the world. Me not giving a flying fuck about anything at all keeps me on good terms with all of you. smile.gif
Heartless
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 25 2010, 02:04 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 17 2010, 05:43 AM) *
punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.


Just shut the fuck up now you fucking dick. I've paid for almost everything in my possession since I got my first job at 15. You're so fucked up it's strange, we used to get along well.


I loled. Hard.
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 26 2010, 02:31 AM) *
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 25 2010, 02:04 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 17 2010, 05:43 AM) *
punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.


Just shut the fuck up now you fucking dick. I've paid for almost everything in my possession since I got my first job at 15. You're so fucked up it's strange, we used to get along well.


I loled. Hard.

Get off the internet, bigot, and realize your only home is here. Enjoy your pathetic haven.
The Awesome One
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 26 2010, 09:31 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 26 2010, 02:31 AM) *
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 25 2010, 02:04 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 17 2010, 05:43 AM) *
punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.


Just shut the fuck up now you fucking dick. I've paid for almost everything in my possession since I got my first job at 15. You're so fucked up it's strange, we used to get along well.


I loled. Hard.

Get off the internet, bigot, and realize your only home is here. Enjoy your pathetic haven.

Punxtr. Its OK. My Daddy pays my bills too.
Heartless
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 26 2010, 04:31 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 26 2010, 02:31 AM) *
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 25 2010, 02:04 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 17 2010, 05:43 AM) *
punxtr:

Sounds like every other left wing menstruating heart shit head on the block. Oh, those bean eaters never took my job so that means I never worked a construction job because mommy and daddy paid for me to go to Brown. Look at me, I'm so leftist because I know that while the niggers may be cold in their slums, I feel safe from my lofty perch! You cunt.


Just shut the fuck up now you fucking dick. I've paid for almost everything in my possession since I got my first job at 15. You're so fucked up it's strange, we used to get along well.


I loled. Hard.

Get off the internet, bigot, and realize your only home is here. Enjoy your pathetic haven.


I know who I am, and that's all that matters. I don't care who knows my opinions or what they think of them. I find it ironic that you take offense to things I post on a pathetic haven.
Ex-PS Fanboy
If heartless leaves the internet he will end up in a REAL asylum- FACT

Don't do it!
The Awesome One
QUOTE (PS Fanboy @ Jan 26 2010, 10:30 PM) *
If heartless leaves the internet he will end up in a REAL asylum- FACT

Don't do it!

Arkham Asylum?
Heartless
QUOTE (PS Fanboy @ Jan 26 2010, 05:30 PM) *
If heartless leaves the internet he will end up in a REAL asylum- FACT

Don't do it!

Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 26 2010, 05:28 PM) *
I know who I am, and that's all that matters. I don't care who knows my opinions or what they think of them. I find it ironic that you take offense to things I post on a pathetic haven.


Good for you. There's no irony here. You don't talk openly like this in real life. Don't kid yourself.
Ex-PS Fanboy
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 26 2010, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Heartless @ Jan 26 2010, 05:28 PM) *
I know who I am, and that's all that matters. I don't care who knows my opinions or what they think of them. I find it ironic that you take offense to things I post on a pathetic haven.


Good for you. There's no irony here. You don't talk openly like this in real life. Don't kid yourself.

That's because the internet is made for talking shit you wouldn't normally say.
TreeFitty
^that^ and I wouldn't doubt Heartless talks like this in real life (minus most of the gay stuff).
Heartless
Believe it or not, I talked with a friends mom at length about the history of Deutschland and the aims of the Third Reich. Granted, she's Christian and hates Obama, but after three hours she capitulated and said that had this been 60 years ago, she would have happily joined the Nazi Party. I'll come to Florida again in a few months Punxtr, and we'll have a nice talk.
Massacre
QUOTE (punxtr @ Jan 26 2010, 06:15 PM) *
Good for you. There's no irony here. You don't talk openly like this in real life. Don't kid yourself.

Yeah, he does.
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