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Marney1
Caused by us or natural progression?

Or total fabrication?
TreeFitty
natural, accelerated by us. so both.
Ex-PS Fanboy
^What he said...

It's nice to see a half assed topic about this. The last one I remember was some guy who said: "It doesn't exist! They all say Global warming exists but things keep getting colder!"

I miss Psycho...
Darth Sexy
Natural progression.
Tranque
Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Next thing they will be telling us that the world wasn't created instantaneously and that fossils aren't tests from god. Horse-hockey!
LoonaTyk1
who cares . if it is warming up , we can't stop it . did we cause it ? i doubt it . we maybe helped it a little .

QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 01:09 AM) *
Next thing they will be telling us that the world wasn't created instantaneously and that fossils aren't tests from god. Horse-hockey!

thats funny . lol !
Skinny†
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Although it's true that build up of greenhouse gasses heat up the planet, that's not what the debate is about, and you're making fun of a strawman. But for what it's worth, the general concensus in science isn't alway right, and not all scientists always agree. I could find you a scientist that thinks eating copper wire with your cereal is good for you, and then I could make the same sarcastic comment you just did. So yeah, failed attmept at making yourself look educated. Fucking liberal.

This debate is about whether global warming is caused by us, or natural progression. Not everything is our fault, the planet heats up and cools down all the time. I don't think we can tell right now what the main cause is. Simply looking at a graph and saying "look! temperatures have been going up, and we've been putting out more Co2" is a shitty argument, because it doesn't correlate perfectly (ie, some years the temperature decreases while Co2 output increases). What's more, Co2 doesn't build up overnight, so it's impossible to calculate without longer term studies.
Tranque
QUOTE (‹berPimpGendoIkari @ Oct 14 2009, 12:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Although it's true that build up of greenhouse gasses heat up the planet, that's not what the debate is about, and you're making fun of a strawman. But for what it's worth, the general concensus in science isn't alway right, and not all scientists always agree. I could find you a scientist that thinks eating copper wire with your cereal is good for you, and then I could make the same sarcastic comment you just did. So yeah, failed attmept at making yourself look educated. Fucking liberal.

This debate is about whether global warming is caused by us, or natural progression. Not everything is our fault, the planet heats up and cools down all the time. I don't think we can tell right now what the main cause is. Simply looking at a graph and saying "look! temperatures have been going up, and we've been putting out more Co2" is a shitty argument, because it doesn't correlate perfectly (ie, some years the temperature decreases while Co2 output increases). What's more, Co2 doesn't build up overnight, so it's impossible to calculate without longer term studies.


Trying to counter my arguement a mixing valid point (The strength of natural progression) and then republican angst (FUCKIN' LIBERAL) kind of waters down your whole "Take the high road stance".

Secondly, I do believe that the planets temperature fluctuates, but I don't think we need to be fucking with it in ways that are completely unneccessary, IE burning shit in mass amounts that really isn't good for the health or well being of the general populus, and shows minor contribution to global warning. I mean even if its a minor effect its still teasing a pitbull that is pissed and rabid for a number of reasons but on a chain. And believe me I don't want to loosen any chain or even go near the damn thing. Similarly this is why I think we should slow down on the emissions of our heaps of metal and try and get a bit green.

Also,
Main Entry: 1joke
Pronunciation: \ˈjōk\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks
Date: 1670

2 : something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter <consider his skiing a joke ó Harold Callender> óoften used in negative constructions <it is no joke to be lost in the desert>
Skinny†
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 11:29 PM) *
Trying to counter my arguement a mixing valid point (The strength of natural progression) and then republican angst (FUCKIN' LIBERAL) kind of waters down your whole "Take the high road stance".

See, this is where you fucked up. I have no intention of taking the high road, when this debate resorts to name calling and funny political cartoons that don't illustrate a point, I'll likely be he one to instigate it. But your joke was condescending, and erroneous (scientists think bla bla bla, they're not a single entity), and although it was a joke, it still shows how you feel, your motivations for feeling that way, and what you think of those who oppose global warming. And I know it's too late, but let's try not to get caught up in semantics.

Oh, and I'm not an angsty republican, quite the contrary.

QUOTE
Secondly, I do believe that the planets temperature fluctuates, but I don't think we need to be fucking with it in ways that are completely unneccessary

In areas where there are no realistic alternatives (ie, energy), there is no evidence to motivate a drastic change. it's not as simple as "let the greedy oil/mining companies fuck off, and set up green power". In reality, they can't sell off coal mines and oil rigs that no one can use, so there stuck with them until the market makes a natural progression to preferring green energy.
Hardcore Ottoman
Politics as usual... perhaps there is an agenda for Green motherfuckers who just want a piece of the energy pie. Hell, destroy oil and make clean energy the shit--you've just made millions by making the world dependent on clean energy now.

Not such a bad thing, but it's interesting to consider if you're skeptical.

That being said, Skinny, dude, t'was a joke that Tranque made. Practically facetious.
TreeFitty
It did create (and still continues to create) new businesses and jobs in the "green" market.

(i also thought it was obvious that tranque was making a joke)
Tranque
QUOTE (‹berPimpGendoIkari @ Oct 14 2009, 02:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 11:29 PM) *
Trying to counter my arguement a mixing valid point (The strength of natural progression) and then republican angst (FUCKIN' LIBERAL) kind of waters down your whole "Take the high road stance".

See, this is where you fucked up. I have no intention of taking the high road, when this debate resorts to name calling and funny political cartoons that don't illustrate a point, I'll likely be he one to instigate it. But your joke was condescending, and erroneous (scientists think bla bla bla, they're not a single entity), and although it was a joke, it still shows how you feel, your motivations for feeling that way, and what you think of those who oppose global warming. And I know it's too late, but let's try not to get caught up in semantics.

Oh, and I'm not an angsty republican, quite the contrary.

QUOTE
Secondly, I do believe that the planets temperature fluctuates, but I don't think we need to be fucking with it in ways that are completely unneccessary

In areas where there are no realistic alternatives (ie, energy), there is no evidence to motivate a drastic change. it's not as simple as "let the greedy oil/mining companies fuck off, and set up green power". In reality, they can't sell off coal mines and oil rigs that no one can use, so there stuck with them until the market makes a natural progression to preferring green energy.


I don't imagine that one day someone's going to start their car one day and the world is going to immediately burst into flames. Its just regardless of how minor our actions contribute to something, whether its a fraction of a penny of a percent, we are still framing the world for the people ahead of us, our children and future generations. I'd just rather them not have to suffer for minor fuckups that we didn't really take into account today.

I also don't imagine the oil industry is going to open their arms wide and accept the death of their industry in favor of green technology, but the main point is that it cannot hurt to start a new industry that has less of an impact, regardless if you think the impact is minimal or not.

QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 14 2009, 08:43 PM) *
It did create (and still continues to create) new businesses and jobs in the "green" market.

(i also thought it was obvious that tranque was making a joke)


The internets are serious business!
The Awesome One
I do not believe in global warming. (caused by us) Its a natural thng that will lead to us burning to death or another ice age.
DANNY B0Y
It might be natural progression. Hell, a few hundred thousand years ago the world was frozen in an ice age -- believe me, it is pretty near-recent for the planet's age.
Marney1
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 14 2009, 08:43 PM) *
It did create (and still continues to create) new businesses and jobs in the "green" market.

(i also thought it was obvious that tranque was making a joke)

I'm yet to see a government spending spree with the green issue in the north west of England, although somebody I know has just got a £75m government contract for south Wales. He'll probably walk away with a £1m +
The Awesome One
QUOTE (marney1 @ Oct 14 2009, 10:36 PM) *
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 14 2009, 08:43 PM) *
It did create (and still continues to create) new businesses and jobs in the "green" market.

(i also thought it was obvious that tranque was making a joke)

I'm yet to see a government spending spree with the green issue in the north west of England, although somebody I know has just got a £75m government contract for south Wales. He'll probably walk away with a £1m +

There is a recession.
Skinny†
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 15 2009, 07:40 AM) *
I also don't imagine the oil industry is going to open their arms wide and accept the death of their industry in favor of green technology

By this logic, no industry would. When something is obsolete/inefficient, the market moves to favour alternatives - in other words, someone will set up green technology to make money, and when there are some alternatives to oil that are readily available, people will stop buying oil and coal and it will slowly fade away, but you can't expect them to ditch their unsellable rigs and mines (speculators nigga, if they all ditch oil and coal, they'd be seen as shit investments) and buy expensive solar panels etc.

QUOTE (Tranque)
The internets are serious business!

QUOTE (TreeFitty)
i also thought it was obvious that tranque was making a joke

QUOTE (punxtr)
That being said, Skinny, dude, t'was a joke that Tranque made. Practically facetious.


Maybe you guys should have read the topic before giving your two cents?

QUOTE (Skinny)
although it was a joke, it still shows how you feel, your motivations for feeling that way, and what you think of those who oppose global warming.


Oh, and punxtr, facetious doesn't mean "for humour's sake".
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (‹berPimpGendoIkari @ Oct 15 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (punxtr)
That being said, Skinny, dude, t'was a joke that Tranque made. Practically facetious.


Maybe you guys should have read the topic before giving your two cents?

QUOTE (Skinny)
although it was a joke, it still shows how you feel, your motivations for feeling that way, and what you think of those who oppose global warming.


Oh, and punxtr, facetious doesn't mean "for humour's sake".


My judgment of his comment was only in context to his comment. Not yours. You fail. I never said nor implied "for humor's sake" so you fail again. His comment is practically facetious because it hardly makes any sense at all yet carries a serious tone with no serious purpose behind it, therefore facetious for all practical purposes. Fail.
Skinny†
QUOTE (punxtr @ Oct 16 2009, 05:41 AM) *
My judgment of his comment was only in context to his comment. Not yours. You fail.

I was thrown off by the mention of my name. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
I never said nor implied "for humor's sake"

Actually, by saying "t'was a joke" and implying that I should lay off him on those grounds, you imply that it was all done for humours sake.

QUOTE
His comment is practically facetious because it hardly makes any sense at all yet carries a serious tone with no serious purpose behind it

I'm not saying it wasn't facetious... I'm saying facetious doesn't mean it was all done in good fun, you could make a point by being facetious.
Tranque
I apologize if my comment caused this amount of distress.
Skinny†
^butt out, this no longer concenrs you tongue.gif
Tranque
*flee*
Darth Sexy
I read an article recently where the guy claimed that cavemen burning wood caused the ice age to end. I laughed. Essentially global warming is being used as an excuse to raise taxes and to tell the people how to live their lives. Also, far more scientists than the media would have you believe deny man made global warming.
LoonaTyk1
global warming is cool !
TreeFitty
QUOTE (Darth_Sexy @ Oct 16 2009, 01:54 AM) *
I read an article recently where the guy claimed that cavemen burning wood caused the ice age to end.


first the ice in the cave, then the world!
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 16 2009, 04:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Darth_Sexy @ Oct 16 2009, 01:54 AM) *
I read an article recently where the guy claimed that cavemen burning wood caused the ice age to end.


first the ice in the cave, then the world!

thats always how it starts .
Hardcore Ottoman
Slippery slope is fun.

So has it been settled? We are having an effect but whether or not we fully understand that effect before we claim it responsible for climate change, no?
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (punxtr @ Oct 19 2009, 09:57 PM) *
Slippery slope is fun.

So has it been settled? We are having an effect but whether or not we fully understand that effect before we claim it responsible for climate change, no?

settles it for me.
Marney1
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (marney1 @ Oct 20 2009, 02:04 PM) *

al gore ? what a joke .
TreeFitty
i don't think anyone takes him seriously anymore.

inB4superserial
Marney1
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 26 2009, 07:42 PM) *
i don't think anyone takes him seriously anymore.

inB4superserial

Man Bear Pig loves him.
II Goonah II
I reckon It's nothing more than Natural progression.
Marney1
Climate change is total bullshit. Well done hackers! clap.gif
TreeFitty
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 22 2009, 11:17 PM) *


I was more interested in the crap on the right side than the article.

As for the article, I'll wait and see the outcome of all that since it is possible people are just toying with them. Time will tell.
The Awesome One
Al Gore? I thought he was dead.
TreeFitty
who said he was dead?
The Awesome One
Nobody, I just thought he died.
Darth Sexy
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 23 2009, 02:17 PM) *

Yeah, I read an article about that yesterday. Very interesting, to say the least. Just have to wait and see what comes of it over the next few weeks.
Marney1
Nothing will probably come of this because as we know the mainstream media is controlled by those who stand to make a fortune from taxes which are being introduced from 'climate change'.
This is blatant fraud on behalf of the so called experts who will do what they're told to in return for awards and promotions. The earth is actually cooling - not warming and this big lie has been in the making for almost 50 years.
Why haven't these computers been seized by the police for investigation for what appears to be 'cooking the books?' The newspapers and general media after learning of these suspicious e-mails already wrote articles which totally miss the point of what this story is supposed to be.

We're all stupid for not doing more to uncover this big lie and that is what the elite class us as -STUPID.

When you have over 30,000 scientists signing a law suit against Al Gore for misleading the public and it hardly gets reported but when they say the eaths temperature has risen by 0.01 of a degree and it's front page news you have to question this whole thing.
TreeFitty
Someone's got their panties in a bunch...
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 25 2009, 10:07 AM) *
Nothing will probably come of this because as we know the mainstream media is controlled by those who stand to make a fortune from taxes which are being introduced from 'climate change'.
This is blatant fraud on behalf of the so called experts who will do what they're told to in return for awards and promotions. The earth is actually cooling - not warming and this big lie has been in the making for almost 50 years.
Why haven't these computers been seized by the police for investigation for what appears to be 'cooking the books?' The newspapers and general media after learning of these suspicious e-mails already wrote articles which totally miss the point of what this story is supposed to be.

We're all stupid for not doing more to uncover this big lie and that is what the elite class us as -STUPID.

When you have over 30,000 scientists signing a law suit against Al Gore for misleading the public and it hardly gets reported but when they say the eaths temperature has risen by 0.01 of a degree and it's front page news you have to question this whole thing.

why ? nothings going to change weather you question it or not so it doesnt matter , unless we're willing to physically do something about it.
Marney1
QUOTE (LoonaTyk1 @ Nov 27 2009, 12:24 AM) *
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 25 2009, 10:07 AM) *
Nothing will probably come of this because as we know the mainstream media is controlled by those who stand to make a fortune from taxes which are being introduced from 'climate change'.
This is blatant fraud on behalf of the so called experts who will do what they're told to in return for awards and promotions. The earth is actually cooling - not warming and this big lie has been in the making for almost 50 years.
Why haven't these computers been seized by the police for investigation for what appears to be 'cooking the books?' The newspapers and general media after learning of these suspicious e-mails already wrote articles which totally miss the point of what this story is supposed to be.

We're all stupid for not doing more to uncover this big lie and that is what the elite class us as -STUPID.

When you have over 30,000 scientists signing a law suit against Al Gore for misleading the public and it hardly gets reported but when they say the eaths temperature has risen by 0.01 of a degree and it's front page news you have to question this whole thing.

why ? nothings going to change weather you question it or not so it doesnt matter , unless we're willing to physically do something about it.

That's what pisses me off, stupid gullible people who are happy to sit on their arses and believe everything they're told by the controlled media instead of speaking up.
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 26 2009, 08:33 PM) *
QUOTE (LoonaTyk1 @ Nov 27 2009, 12:24 AM) *
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 25 2009, 10:07 AM) *
Nothing will probably come of this because as we know the mainstream media is controlled by those who stand to make a fortune from taxes which are being introduced from 'climate change'.
This is blatant fraud on behalf of the so called experts who will do what they're told to in return for awards and promotions. The earth is actually cooling - not warming and this big lie has been in the making for almost 50 years.
Why haven't these computers been seized by the police for investigation for what appears to be 'cooking the books?' The newspapers and general media after learning of these suspicious e-mails already wrote articles which totally miss the point of what this story is supposed to be.

We're all stupid for not doing more to uncover this big lie and that is what the elite class us as -STUPID.

When you have over 30,000 scientists signing a law suit against Al Gore for misleading the public and it hardly gets reported but when they say the eaths temperature has risen by 0.01 of a degree and it's front page news you have to question this whole thing.

why ? nothings going to change weather you question it or not so it doesnt matter , unless we're willing to physically do something about it.

That's what pisses me off, stupid gullible people who are happy to sit on their arses and believe everything they're told by the controlled media instead of speaking up.
i read the article about the e-mails that were stolen and dont see what the fuss is about . who says the earth is cooling down ? thats new also. actually i really couldnt care less weather its warming up or cooloing down. the whole green movement is positive either way although i'm not going green myself. i for one am not sitting on my ass believing everything i'm told. i believe and do what i want when i want regardless of weather its green or i'm leaving a king kong size carbon footprint.
Marney1
It's the fact that everyone's life is going to get a lot harder because of the taxes we're all going to be paying to supposedly save the planet. Listen to the tens of thousands of scientists who are laughing at this bullshit instead of Al Gore and the government scientists who say what they're told to say.
It's all about control and taking away rights so certain people become richer and more powerful.
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 27 2009, 03:18 AM) *
It's the fact that everyone's life is going to get a lot harder because of the taxes we're all going to be paying to supposedly save the planet. Listen to the tens of thousands of scientists who are laughing at this bullshit instead of Al Gore and the government scientists who say what they're told to say.
It's all about control and taking away rights so certain people become richer and more powerful.

True. always been that way with governments. thats what revolutions are for. thats what we need.they're not going to change without bloodshed.
Marney1
I can see a mini revolution happening sometime but that's all it would be, a mini one. No doubt they'll be put down like dogs before being labelled domestic terrorists. Then what? Marshall law? It would be a good excuse to bring that in.
TreeFitty
QUOTE (LoonaTyk1 @ Nov 26 2009, 11:42 PM) *
i read the article about the e-mails that were stolen and dont see what the fuss is about . who says the earth is cooling down ? thats new also.

There's always been opponents to "global warming".

QUOTE
actually i really couldnt care less weather its warming up or cooloing down. the whole green movement is positive either way although i'm not going green myself. i for one am not sitting on my ass believing everything i'm told. i believe and do what i want when i want regardless of weather its green or i'm leaving a king kong size carbon footprint.

I too see the good in going "green". Nothing wrong with getting better mileage in your car or spending less money on other things. "Green" isn't just about the environment, it has to do with money too.

QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 27 2009, 04:18 AM) *
It's the fact that everyone's life is going to get a lot harder because of the taxes we're all going to be paying to supposedly save the planet. Listen to the tens of thousands of scientists who are laughing at this bullshit instead of Al Gore and the government scientists who say what they're told to say.
It's all about control and taking away rights so certain people become richer and more powerful.

Paranoid much?

QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 27 2009, 08:47 AM) *
I can see a mini revolution happening sometime but that's all it would be, a mini one.



QUOTE
No doubt they'll be put down like dogs before being labelled domestic terrorists. Then what? Marshall law? It would be a good excuse to bring that in.

Paranoid much?
Marney1
Not paranoid just pissed off at all the lies.
LoonaTyk1
QUOTE (Dan Steven @ Nov 27 2009, 12:41 PM) *
Not paranoid just pissed off at all the lies.

quit believing them. they dont piss me off because i dont fall for their lies in the first place. whoever thought those in power told the truth in the first place ??
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