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ViceMan
Apparently info on the next DLC should be released at E3.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/blogs/rumor-co...-e3-lineup.html

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--The second Xbox 360-exclusive downloadable episode for Grand Theft Auto IV, subtitled "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover." The title may be a reference to the GTAIV mission Three Leaf Clover,where protagonist Niko Bellic helps Irish mobster Packie McReary and his brothers pull off a bank robbery straight out of the film Heat. It's apparently due "this Christmas."


Where Gamespot got this info I don't know, but the title doesn't seem to fit with the Luis Fernando Lopez predictions.
Massacre
Two things: 1. Is it possible R* had intended to make Luis the protagonist (as was heavily indicated) and then changed their minds after so many people figured it out? and 2. Gordon Sargent was on my main character list, and he's involved with Packie, obviously...

Of course, it's only a rumor, so I'm going to restrain myself from making any further speculation, I'll just wait for E3. Nice find, Vicey.
TwoFacedTanner
Maybe they're throwing a curve ball. Maybe its not going to be Luis.
I hated his voice anyway. So if its not him, I'm not going to cry.
Massacre
I wanted Luis because of what they did with L&D. Johnny was a biker, so they added a ton of bikes. With Luis as a protagonist, there was the possibility of the return of the Blade, Savannah, and other lowriders from San Andreas. Beyond that, I'm not too worried about having a different character.
ViceMan
Could be a placeholder title, but usually they're not that specific to gameplay. And I think if R* figured out we knew about Luis by then it'd be too late to do anything about it, they're probably well into production by now.
SirPsychoSexy
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?
bOnEs
what does everyone have against a possible packie spin-off? when GTAIV first came out, lots of people wanted to see a packie spin-off with the first DLC... when it was johnny, everyone decided that R* wouldn't use anyone who had more face-time than johnny in niko's story...

i've been calling for a spin-off of one of niko's friends... and packie has the most interesting backstory... and bringing the mccreary's back into the picture as one of the top families in liberty city would make for a great game...

a brucie game would be funny for the first couple of hours but get old fast...

there's not enough substance to do a little jacob spin-off...

dwayne's story was pretty much summed up in the missions... plus, he can be killed in GTAIV...

packie is the most logical choice... plus, i can think of the possibilities of packie recruiting niko to help out in missions, or to have niko as a buddy to hang out with... i would hope that they don't do a prequel with packie... no one wants to see the fall of the mccreary's... i wanna see the mccreary story finish... and that never happened in IV... but then again, R* would have to leave out 2 of the brothers since you've got the option to kill one of them... that could make the storyline tricky... but, it could be done...

plus, everyone wants to break gerry out of prison, right? biggrin.gif... a mission with an interior to the prison, and packie and friends going undercover to spring him out... sounds like fun!!

to bad i can say whatever i want but, never get the chance to play it (at least for another 6 months after release)...
TwoFacedTanner
I like that idea bones. I really do.
ViceMan
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ May 14 2009, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1501879[/snapback]
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?


Because the title "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" wouldn't really fit with Luis' background, it'd be more suited to an Irish protagonist. (I.E a McReary, not neccessarily Packie though.)
bOnEs
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 04:39 PM) [snapback]1501901[/snapback]
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ May 14 2009, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1501879[/snapback]
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?


Because the title "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" wouldn't really fit with Luis' background, it'd be more suited to an Irish protagonist. (I.E a McReary, not neccessarily Packie though.)

the title does have a lot to do with where i think the story is going... for one, blood definitely means there's gong to be some blood-shed, which is the right choice when we're talking GTA here... four-leaf clover has a couple different meanings... one of course, is it's an irish thing, which fits the bill of the mccreary's... but the other thing i noticed is the four... the mission in the original was called three leaf clover, which meant irish... four leaf clover is meant as luck...

"blood-shed and the luck of the irish" is what i gather from the new title... meaning, blood-shed will be spilt in order to bring back the irish family... and it's gonna take a bit of luck to get it done...

also, now that you mention it... gerry wouldn't be a bad choice as a protagonist either... he was a hands-on kind of guy... but, chose to use niko to keep the other families from thinking it was him... plus, there could be a daring escape from prison to start off the new DLC with a bang!!
ViceMan
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1501909[/snapback]
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 04:39 PM) [snapback]1501901[/snapback]
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ May 14 2009, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1501879[/snapback]
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?


Because the title "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" wouldn't really fit with Luis' background, it'd be more suited to an Irish protagonist. (I.E a McReary, not neccessarily Packie though.)

the title does have a lot to do with where i think the story is going... for one, blood definitely means there's gong to be some blood-shed, which is the right choice when we're talking GTA here... four-leaf clover has a couple different meanings... one of course, is it's an irish thing, which fits the bill of the mccreary's... but the other thing i noticed is the four... the mission in the original was called three leaf clover, which meant irish... four leaf clover is meant as luck...

"blood-shed and the luck of the irish" is what i gather from the new title... meaning, blood-shed will be spilt in order to bring back the irish family... and it's gonna take a bit of luck to get it done...

also, now that you mention it... gerry wouldn't be a bad choice as a protagonist either... he was a hands-on kind of guy... but, chose to use niko to keep the other families from thinking it was him... plus, there could be a daring escape from prison to start off the new DLC with a bang!!


Well i'm pretty sure I had this idea before, but in the last TL&D mission the prisioners escape after The Lost kill Billy don't they? Maybe Packie and his associates are planning a break-out only to be beaten to it by The Lost.
Marney1
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1501909[/snapback]
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 04:39 PM) [snapback]1501901[/snapback]
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ May 14 2009, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1501879[/snapback]
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?


Because the title "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" wouldn't really fit with Luis' background, it'd be more suited to an Irish protagonist. (I.E a McReary, not neccessarily Packie though.)

the title does have a lot to do with where i think the story is going... for one, blood definitely means there's gong to be some blood-shed, which is the right choice when we're talking GTA here... four-leaf clover has a couple different meanings... one of course, is it's an irish thing, which fits the bill of the mccreary's... but the other thing i noticed is the four... the mission in the original was called three leaf clover, which meant irish... four leaf clover is meant as luck...

"blood-shed and the luck of the irish" is what i gather from the new title... meaning, blood-shed will be spilt in order to bring back the irish family... and it's gonna take a bit of luck to get it done...

also, now that you mention it... gerry wouldn't be a bad choice as a protagonist either... he was a hands-on kind of guy... but, chose to use niko to keep the other families from thinking it was him... plus, there could be a daring escape from prison to start off the new DLC with a bang!!

I wish it were you writing the next DLC bOnEs, everything you've written here makes real sense and sounds exciting. smile.gif
bOnEs
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 05:04 PM) [snapback]1501912[/snapback]
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1501909[/snapback]
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 04:39 PM) [snapback]1501901[/snapback]
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ May 14 2009, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1501879[/snapback]
Don't know if I missed something here, but why do you all of a sudden think that Luis won't be the next protagonist?


Because the title "Blood and a Four Leaf Clover" wouldn't really fit with Luis' background, it'd be more suited to an Irish protagonist. (I.E a McReary, not neccessarily Packie though.)

the title does have a lot to do with where i think the story is going... for one, blood definitely means there's gong to be some blood-shed, which is the right choice when we're talking GTA here... four-leaf clover has a couple different meanings... one of course, is it's an irish thing, which fits the bill of the mccreary's... but the other thing i noticed is the four... the mission in the original was called three leaf clover, which meant irish... four leaf clover is meant as luck...

"blood-shed and the luck of the irish" is what i gather from the new title... meaning, blood-shed will be spilt in order to bring back the irish family... and it's gonna take a bit of luck to get it done...

also, now that you mention it... gerry wouldn't be a bad choice as a protagonist either... he was a hands-on kind of guy... but, chose to use niko to keep the other families from thinking it was him... plus, there could be a daring escape from prison to start off the new DLC with a bang!!


Well i'm pretty sure I had this idea before, but in the last TL&D mission the prisioners escape after The Lost kill Billy don't they? Maybe Packie and his associates are planning a break-out only to be beaten to it by The Lost.

or it's possible that during this breakout in L&TD, confusion sat in and other prisoners escaped as well... i haven't played L&TD so, i got no idea that even happened, lol laugh.gif... thanks for ruining the game... lol j/k...
ViceMan
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1501915[/snapback]
or it's possible that during this breakout in L&TD, confusion sat in and other prisoners escaped as well... i haven't played L&TD so, i got no idea that even happened, lol laugh.gif... thanks for ruining the game... lol j/k...


I haven't played it either (my PSN name should give it away) but that's what I was getting at, the rest of the prisoners are supposed to escape, although i've only read Psy's guide to it, haven't seen any footage of it.
bOnEs
QUOTE(marney1 @ May 14 2009, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1501914[/snapback]
I wish it were you writing the next DLC bOnEs, everything you've written here makes real sense and sounds exciting. smile.gif

haha, i could give R* the plot idea but, i couldn't write a script better than those genius's...
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 05:09 PM) [snapback]1501916[/snapback]
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1501915[/snapback]
or it's possible that during this breakout in L&TD, confusion sat in and other prisoners escaped as well... i haven't played L&TD so, i got no idea that even happened, lol laugh.gif... thanks for ruining the game... lol j/k...


I haven't played it either (my PSN name should give it away) but that's what I was getting at, the rest of the prisoners are supposed to escape, although i've only read Psy's guide to it, haven't seen any footage of it.

maybe a xbox'r can clearify that outcome of that mission (without spoiling too much biggrin.gif, we might be getting this DLC too you know)...
Marney1
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 10:14 PM) [snapback]1501920[/snapback]
QUOTE(marney1 @ May 14 2009, 05:07 PM) [snapback]1501914[/snapback]
I wish it were you writing the next DLC bOnEs, everything you've written here makes real sense and sounds exciting. smile.gif

haha, i could give R* the plot idea but, i couldn't write a script better than those genius's...
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 14 2009, 05:09 PM) [snapback]1501916[/snapback]
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1501915[/snapback]
or it's possible that during this breakout in L&TD, confusion sat in and other prisoners escaped as well... i haven't played L&TD so, i got no idea that even happened, lol laugh.gif... thanks for ruining the game... lol j/k...


I haven't played it either (my PSN name should give it away) but that's what I was getting at, the rest of the prisoners are supposed to escape, although i've only read Psy's guide to it, haven't seen any footage of it.

maybe a xbox'r can clearify that outcome of that mission (without spoiling too much biggrin.gif, we might be getting this DLC too you know)...

How can anyone clarify the outcome of a mission without ruining it for people (like me) that haven't played L&D yet. I'm avoiding even the storyline like the plague so I can feel the same excitement XBOX owners had when it came out for them.
bOnEs
das true... well, if everyone escapes then, gerry's already on the streets... that's all i wanted to know... which means, the game can start out with him already back at ma's... or somewhere else since more than likely he's gonna have to be hidden for a while...

EDIT: and you know something... this game could end up being a prequel because, there's 3 mccreary's that wouldn't be involved in the story because of the outcomes of niko's story... derrick, francis and kate can all be killed so, R* wouldn't use them in the spinoff unless it was a prequel... and kate and francis would be big players in the storyline if they were still alive... especially francis...

so, it's possible we could be looking at a prequel here...

or it's possible that we could be looking at gerry and packie rebuilding the family from the ground up if it's a sequel to L&TD... it could explain the blood-shed that's to be spilled...
ViceMan
QUOTE(bOnEs @ May 14 2009, 10:36 PM) [snapback]1501940[/snapback]
das true... well, if everyone escapes then, gerry's already on the streets... that's all i wanted to know... which means, the game can start out with him already back at ma's... or somewhere else since more than likely he's gonna have to be hidden for a while...

EDIT: and you know something... this game could end up being a prequel because, there's 3 mccreary's that wouldn't be involved in the story because of the outcomes of niko's story... derrick, francis and kate can all be killed so, R* wouldn't use them in the spinoff unless it was a prequel... and kate and francis would be big players in the storyline if they were still alive... especially francis...

so, it's possible we could be looking at a prequel here...

or it's possible that we could be looking at gerry and packie rebuilding the family from the ground up if it's a sequel to L&TD... it could explain the blood-shed that's to be spilled...


I don't think a prequel would be out of the question, but usually games with multiple endings or outcomes have a canon and non-canon ending, in the case of a sequel the canon ending would be used. However, I think the story would start from a point before Francis or Derrick were killed. It was mentioned that Derrick had only just returned to America in the Three Leaf Clover mission, perhaps he won't be involved until later in the story.

I just thought, if we did play as Gerry we'd have to sit through god knows how long in jail. We don't know for sure he escaped in the chaos at the end of TL&D. So he could still be inside, which brings me to the next possibility;

QUOTE(Massacre @ May 14 2009, 06:07 PM) [snapback]1501853[/snapback]
Gordon Sargent was on my main character list, and he's involved with Packie, obviously...

Last night I was thinking, what did he do in-game that we never saw. He held off the mafia goons while Niko and Packie escaped with the money in Waste Not Want Knots. He watched over Gracie while she was being held prisoner. He seemed to have as many appearances as Johnny did.
Marney1
I'm going to carry on with my second attempt of doing the story again later and I'll watch and listen to what's going on real carefully this time. I might notice something I didn't before about the story but don't hold your breath.
Massacre
QUOTE(ViceMan @ May 15 2009, 01:03 PM) [snapback]1502106[/snapback]
I just thought, if we did play as Gerry we'd have to sit through god knows how long in jail. We don't know for sure he escaped in the chaos at the end of TL&D. So he could still be inside, which brings me to the next possibility;

QUOTE(Massacre @ May 14 2009, 06:07 PM) [snapback]1501853[/snapback]
Gordon Sargent was on my main character list, and he's involved with Packie, obviously...

Last night I was thinking, what did he do in-game that we never saw. He held off the mafia goons while Niko and Packie escaped with the money in Waste Not Want Knots. He watched over Gracie while she was being held prisoner. He seemed to have as many appearances as Johnny did.

That's my point. I loved the McReary part of the game, but Packie was too involved in the story. A quarter of the missions would just be riding in a car with Niko. I was mostly looking at Luis for the protagonist, so I didn't think about the possibilities for Gordon's story. Now I will.
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