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PabloHoneyOle
With the recently announced Fallout New Vegas, I thought there should be a dedicated thread; that way we can keep the other Fallout thread dedicated to FO3.

Sure the game isn't out until 2010, but that gives us plenty of time to dream.

What do you want to see in Fallout's next offering? What landmarks/favorite parts of Vegas do you want to see (thanks Massacre)?

What elements from Fallout 3 would you like to see return and/or disappear?
Pieface
I'd like to see Cesars palace as like a place for you to live, like the tenpenny tower.
Massacre
I think it'd be cool for all the casinos like the Luxor, Excalibur, Treasure Island, and Circus Circus to survive, each with their own "tribe" of residents who act and dress like whatever the casino's theme is, like Ledeaux's Ice Gang in FO3. Wasteland pirate ftw! If they did that, I could finally get a goddamn eyepatch for my character. There could be a Tenpenny-type asshole that's fixed up the Stratosphere Tower. Also, fighting Giant Radscorpions in front of the Luxor would rock.

The scorpion thing brings up another idea. I'd like to see more areas like the Deathclaw Sanctuary, or the Yau Guai tunnels, where there are just dozens of tough enemies in one place. That actually gives me an idea for a quest, where you have to eradicate a bunch of Giant Radscorpions from the area outside the Luxor so the tribe inside will help you with... Whatever it is the game revolves around.

Kind of a longshot, but I'd like to see some kind of transportation in the game. I don't always feel this way, but when I'm trekking to the Republic of Dave from Underworld or making some other long trip, sometimes I wish that one of the four busted motorcycles I've passed had survived the war. At the very least, let me make a friendly Radscorpion into a mount. But like I said, it's rarely a big deal for me.

I have a ton of ideas to post, I'll probably spend the rest of the day typing them up and organizing them into three- or four-point posts. Thank you for starting this topic, Stoic, it's been too long since I've had the creative/anticipation rush I usually only get from new GTAs
DiO
I wonder if ANALlogKIKE is going to be in it.
Massacre
Yes, he will. It'll be an Easter egg where just off the strip there's a synogogue, and inside there's a skeleton with a pile of gay porn and dildos around it. That's Analog.
DuPz0r
I think casino chips will be the new bottlecaps.
bOnEs
maybe allow us to use a brahmin as a pack mule, and as a mode of transportation, kinda like the traveling merchants do... that'd be cool... and the possibility of hiring mercenaries to accompany you... if you can ride a horse in oblivion, you should be able to ride a two headed cow laugh.gif...

lots of recruitable characters... i don't want to just have palidin cross and fawkes if i am a good character... because, you don't get to recruit them tell much much later in the adventure whereas, if your evil, you can recruit jericho and clover pretty much as soon as you get a thousand caps... i want to have like 3 or 4 options per karma... and like 4 non-karma based characters to recruit too so, you don't have to pledge your allegiance to a certain karma level to recruit them... i just want more options here...

a new enemy... not as big as a behemoth but, i want something fresh, big, mutated, and new... for the most part, the creatures have been the same in all fallout games... i'd like to see some desert creatures like 100 ft rattlesnakes, or big fucking spiders that shoots sticky radiated venom that can jam your gun or something... i need to be creeped out a little more laugh.gif...

that's all for now... i'm sure i can think of some more really kick ass ideas in the near future...
QUOTE
I think casino chips will be the new bottlecaps.

damn, i think your right!!
Massacre
Thanks to Resident Evil Apocalypse for this one: Elvis impersonator ghouls!
Full Metal Monkey
It would be nice to see New Vegas have the same scope as Oblivion and a similar amount of quests. Although i enjoyed the landscape in Fallout 3 and the explorable areas i was disapointed with the amount of quests on offer.

A really nice, but highly unlikely feature, would be to have 16 player multiplayer games or possibly 2-4 player co-op.

I think the VATS system could use an upgrade, when you shoot it should be more like 'bullet time' instead of watching your player shoot in slow motion several times. More targetable areas to shoot like, in the eye or the hand, so they drop their weapon or even in the groin so it paralyzes them for abit.
Massacre
Monkey, were you thinking something like Fable II for the co-op or a more traditional co-op? I think if the storyline were based around a group of people rather than a single person, the traditional style co-op would work. I personally wouldn't want it, though.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 12:57 PM) [snapback]1497615[/snapback]
Thank you for starting this topic, Stoic, it's been too long since I've had the creative/anticipation rush I usually only get from new GTAs

I felt the same thing. Hence the thread. I hope it flourishes.

I'll be thinking of things for sometime.

Much like the DC area of Fallout 3 wasn't an EXACT match to the area, it was very, very similar. I'd like to see that similarity in New Vegas. I want to be able to navigate New Vegas from my drunken driving knowledge from my trips to Las Vegas... In San Andreas, it seemed like the strip had been flipped and shortened greatly. Anyone familiar with Vegas knows that the Main Strip is hella long [4 mile (6.4 km)] and the hotel properties are huge and feature entire shopping malls, multiple levels of casino gaming, restaurants, dance clubs and of course, hotel rooms. Currently there are @ 67,000 hotel rooms on the strip alone.

There's also Fremont Street (the original strip) to the north of that. I think the two of those areas, plus a little of the outlying area would be a large enough map. They could even incorporate the Hoover Dam, but that's hella far from the strip. It would be at the other end of the map, no doubt.

You also have to think it wouldn't be the Vegas it is now, it'll be the Fallout 3 version of Vegas. A nuclear-era Vegas.

I'm not familiar enough with the Fallout universe to know when things skewed from actual history to the Fallout version, but the older landmarks will still be intact. I'd also like to see themed clans for each of the casinos.

I'd like to see nods to:
-Circus, Circus: most ridiculous casino on the strip, complete with rabid animals and Feral Clown Zombies
-NY, NY: I don't suppose the rollercoaster would still be working?
-The Luxor: Egyptian Super Mutants, FTW
-Excalibur: Raiders in full coats of armor?
-The Hard Rock: Elvis Ghouls (as already mentioned); the pool area with hot babe ghouls (Rehab on Sundays) and of course the Pink Taco novelty t-shirts

Also, plenty of Ghoul Strip Clubs and the aforementioned chips as currency.

I'm hoping there won't be too many scorpions, I get it, it's the desert, but I'd like to see some fucking mutant coyotes and lizards too.
Massacre
Shit, Stoic, I just thought of that. The Fallout timeline starts splitting from ours in the 50's, none of the Casinos I mentioned were built yet. Fuck.

Also, mutant gila monsters, which would now be living up to their monster name.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 02:24 PM) [snapback]1497644[/snapback]
Shit, Stoic, I just thought of that. The Fallout timeline starts splitting from ours in the 50's, none of the Casinos I mentioned were built yet. Fuck.

That doesn't meant that they weren't DESTINED to be made.

They could still exist in the Fallout universe, only with a slightly fucked tweaking to them.


QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 01:03 PM) [snapback]1497618[/snapback]
Yes, he will. It'll be an Easter egg where just off the strip there's a synogogue, and inside there's a skeleton with a pile of gay porn and dildos around it. That's Analog.

FTW.
Qdeathstar
I don't know about zombie clowns.. that sounds kinda retarded.. besides, circus circus casino is crap....


I think that they have people that believe some of casinos are build by gods.. I don't think the residents should all know its a old gambling town.
Massacre
Here are some enemy possibilities:

Horned toad, plenty of dangerous spikes that would undoubtedly be larger in a post-war world.


Rattlesnake, this one's a given.


Golden Eagle. It's time for a real flying threat, not those fucking Bloatflies.


Mormon Crickets. They stay in large groups and are cannibalistic.



Tarantula. Obvious.


And this is the most dangerous mother fucker in the Wasteland.


Also throw in Coyotes (slightly tougher than FO3's dogs), and mountain lions (about the same as a Yau Guai).

Plus, there are a few nuclear testing sites in the area.
Heartless
QUOTE(DuPz0rô @ Apr 21 2009, 01:23 PM) [snapback]1497622[/snapback]
I think casino chips will be the new bottlecaps.


If it wasn't before, it is now.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1497657[/snapback]
And this is the most dangerous mother fucker in the Wasteland.

I'd hate to run into a mutant one of these mutant lagomorphs.

I also like the ideas of eagles, horned toads and rattlesnakes.

I was thinking about getting around New Vegas.
They don't have metros. I doubt the double-decker bus shuttle line will still be up and running.

On a side note, there are quite a few Vegas themed games in the works... (Fallout New Vegas, Dead Rising, This is Vegas, etc.) Might have to plan a trip soon.

Analog, I'm staying with you and your Jewish mother.
Massacre
I think Vegas was on an episode of Cities of the Underworld (love that show). If it's the episode I'm thinking of, the Mafia had tunnels under some of the city. Or maybe that was prohibition-era Chicago.

QUOTE(Stoic Person Eater @ Apr 21 2009, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1497665[/snapback]
Analog, I'm staying with you and your Jewish mother.

You mean Ruth? She's a lovely woman. Her matzo ball soup is heavenly.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 04:09 PM) [snapback]1497667[/snapback]
I think Vegas was on an episode of Cities of the Underworld (love that show). If it's the episode I'm thinking of, the Mafia had tunnels under some of the city. Or maybe that was prohibition-era Chicago.

There are large underground vaults, just like in Ocean's 11. Perhaps there is an intricate system of tunnels... or there could be...
bOnEs
ooo ooo ooo!!! AREA 51 baby!!! area 51...

they gotta do something about that... maybe an expansion pack like "the pitt" since we're talking new mexico here...
Massacre
Area 51's not in NM, it's in Rachel, NV. That would be kickass DLC, though, especially if they do implement some kind of transportation system into the game. UFOs ftw!
bOnEs
...? i thought area 51 was in roswell, new mexico huh.gif... if it's already in nevada then, you don't need an expansion since i am guessing that the map will be an exaggerated version of nevada with las vegas and reno as well...
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1497678[/snapback]
Area 51's not in NM, it's in Rachel, NV. That would be kickass DLC, though, especially if they do implement some kind of transportation system into the game. UFOs ftw!

Area 51 is a nickname for a military base located in the southern portion of Nevada in the western United States (83 miles north-northwest of downtown Las Vegas).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51

QUOTE(bOnEs @ Apr 21 2009, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1497679[/snapback]
...? i thought area 51 was in roswell, new mexico :huh:... if it's already in nevada then, you don't need an expansion since i am guessing that the map will be an exaggerated version of nevada with las vegas and reno as well...

You're thinking that because of the 1947 UFO "crash" there.
Massacre
QUOTE(bOnEs @ Apr 21 2009, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1497679[/snapback]
...? i thought area 51 was in roswell, new mexico huh.gif... if it's already in nevada then, you don't need an expansion since i am guessing that the map will be an exaggerated version of nevada with las vegas and reno as well...

Cop outfit with hotpants. Yes, Reno.
bOnEs
yea, so there might not be metro tunnels but then again, there might be... they could be labeled differently too like called, subway tunnels or something... i think there will be underground tunnels though similar to fallout 3... i mean, vegas isn't exactly gonna be like vegas in the alternate reality the fallout universe is in... maybe metro tunnels became a mandatory inclusion in all cities for faster travel between cities...

strip clubs with zombie hookers... lol sorta set up like that one building in F3 with the chinese remnants... we could have stipper remnants that want to suck more than blood... ok, overboard there but laugh.gif, this is vegas we're talking about... the king of overboard...

considering that this is vegas, the possibilities are literally endless because, anything can happen in las vegas...
PabloHoneyOle
I hope there is also drive-thru wedding chapels and $5.99 all you can eat Mole Rat Meat.
Massacre
That gives me an idea. There were a ton of places to get 99 cent lobster back in the day. Maybe in New Vegas, there's a lobster version of the Mirelurks from the 99 cent lobster tanks.
bOnEs
stages and theaters too... of course nothing will be performing... although, if someone were to take over one of those places like a eulogy jones-type character, they could put on shows for the locals... or even have quests for you to find people from all over the new vegas to come perform at the theater... i'd have to find a ghoul with a voice like an angel laugh.gif...

i just can't wait to explore some of the casinos and hotels... i mean, these interiors are gonna be MASSIVE!! ungodly huge, like the statesman hotel which, i think, is the biggest interior in fallout 3...

the occasional slot machine that still functions, dispensing useless pre-war money if you hit the jackpot... and flashing lights and loud sounds follow that still seem to work, triggering noises that echo down the halls of the casino, alerting nearby mirelurks...

tons and i mean TONS of pawn shops to loot junk from... probably as a means for merchants to set up shop all over new vegas...

shopping malls loaded with pre-war clothing... stuff that would make vegas proud like elvis costumes and shit...

how about frikin' car dealerships?! they had outdoor movie theaters that had lots of cars... why not have dealerships with tons of cars in the parking lots... causing one of the biggest chain-reaction explosions you have ever seen!! also, maybe including 4 story parking garages where raiders and other types call home...

how about more destructible objects... buildings that have bricks falling off when you get closer... giving the building a sense of being unstable, and dangerous to explore... and possibly falling down after said events inside... or just those damn wooden house frames you see all over place, having the ability to sent them on fire with a flamer or something... more destruction to an already destroyed world...
TheAnalogKid2112
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 10:03 AM) [snapback]1497618[/snapback]
Yes, he will. It'll be an Easter egg where just off the strip there's a synogogue, and inside there's a skeleton with a pile of gay porn and dildos around it. That's Analog.

I seriously burst out laughing just now.

Anyway, I'm hoping to see some of the suburban areas of Vegas included as well. Also, Red Rock, Hoover Dam, etc. I hope they realize Las Vegas is like 95% suburban/business. I hope they incorporate that. Pretty much every structure in Fallout 3 is something you'll also find in Vegas. Also, I'll do my VERY BEST to get myself into the game. Trust me on that.
And amen for Area 51!!!


EDIT: What the hell, everybody travel down here. We're going to have a huge brainstorming party, then I'll sodomize all of you.
Full Metal Monkey
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1497640[/snapback]
Monkey, were you thinking something like Fable II for the co-op or a more traditional co-op? I think if the storyline were based around a group of people rather than a single person, the traditional style co-op would work. I personally wouldn't want it, though.


I meant co-op as in similar to what was used in Halo 3, where you take control of a NPC. In Fallout 3's case the followers. But instead of taking over one of the NPCs, you could import your single player character. It would also be a good way to trade 'rare' items.
PabloHoneyOle
On the lines of co-op; it would be so great to be able to play in the same game as someone. It would be great to be able to take my single player and have him meet up with your single player in either of our games in game. Not sure if that's possible/feasible; but just saying.

I like the idea of a Halo 3 style co-op; where someone can join (over the network) and take the role of your follower. I haven't played RE5 yet, but the co-op I am imagining would be similar; drop in, drop out. You could already have a set follower, or could recruit one (similar to the orbs on Fable 2) to pair up with whenever someone wanted to co-op.

I'd love to see a co-op game where you start the game with another player (online) and you both exist in the same game. You can explore on your own or meet up to handle missions, or just try killing each other. If you could purchase housing; it would make it a little more competitve; you're collecting and scavenging to actually obtain something over someone else. Even when one player is offline; he could be locked up in his home and the other player would be free to play his game; only interacting with the other co-op player when they are both online.

I dunno.
DuPz0r
I think an Area 51 would be pretty cool for alien/animal neclear hybrids. I agree also that there should be more content in terms of side quests..
Massacre
QUOTE(TheAnalogKid2112 @ Apr 21 2009, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1497750[/snapback]
QUOTE(Massacre @ Apr 21 2009, 10:03 AM) [snapback]1497618[/snapback]
Yes, he will. It'll be an Easter egg where just off the strip there's a synogogue, and inside there's a skeleton with a pile of gay porn and dildos around it. That's Analog.

I seriously burst out laughing just now.

Anyway, I'm hoping to see some of the suburban areas of Vegas included as well. Also, Red Rock, Hoover Dam, etc. I hope they realize Las Vegas is like 95% suburban/business. I hope they incorporate that. Pretty much every structure in Fallout 3 is something you'll also find in Vegas. Also, I'll do my VERY BEST to get myself into the game. Trust me on that.
And amen for Area 51!!!


EDIT: What the hell, everybody travel down here. We're going to have a huge brainstorming party, then I'll sodomize all of you.

I made fun of you and then you laughed, that's why you're my favorite kike.

I was just thinking about the custom weapons from FO3. Imagine the kind of shit you could throw together in Vegas. I'm thinking a melee version of the Dart Gun, kind of a cross with the Deathclaw Gauntlet, that's made from a Radscorpion poison gland and paralyzes enemies, or a rifle that somehow incorporates a neon light that leaves your fallen enemies glowing and changing colors. biggrin.gif
Full Metal Monkey
QUOTE(Stoic Person Eater @ Apr 22 2009, 01:58 PM) [snapback]1497792[/snapback]
On the lines of co-op; it would be so great to be able to play in the same game as someone. It would be great to be able to take my single player and have him meet up with your single player in either of our games in game. Not sure if that's possible/feasible; but just saying.

I like the idea of a Halo 3 style co-op; where someone can join (over the network) and take the role of your follower. I haven't played RE5 yet, but the co-op I am imagining would be similar; drop in, drop out. You could already have a set follower, or could recruit one (similar to the orbs on Fable 2) to pair up with whenever someone wanted to co-op.

I'd love to see a co-op game where you start the game with another player (online) and you both exist in the same game. You can explore on your own or meet up to handle missions, or just try killing each other. If you could purchase housing; it would make it a little more competitve; you're collecting and scavenging to actually obtain something over someone else. Even when one player is offline; he could be locked up in his home and the other player would be free to play his game; only interacting with the other co-op player when they are both online.

I dunno.


Exactly.

Also i like your last idea but in terms of implementing it, it would be very difficult to code and not only that but imagine if you linked your solo campaigne with someone else who only played the game once? They would be completely locked in the houes. I know thats taking the idea to its most basic but its still feasible.

The orb feature for Fable 2 would be a good way of getting around it but it also caused alot of framerate issues when you were the more popular parts of the game ie Bowerstone Market. My game would very, fucking, annoyingly crash when trying to load to another area.

By the way, i don't know if anyone else got this feeling when reading through the annoucement but i think their going to drasticly change the game compared to Fallout 3. I'm not too sure what it was that made me feel like this but its this funny feeling in my gut.

In someways it would be a good thing but also Bethesda actually managed to find a sweet spot between the originals and bringing something fresh and im one of the die hard Fallout fans, and probably one who enjoyed Tactics; But i can understand why Bethesda decided to make it a first person experience compared to the original isometric style.

Im currently replaying Fallout 2 and Tactics at the moment and some of the features do feel dated.

Anyway, im waffling again. Had a few beers by the Thames seeing as the weather, for once, is sunny and hot. Plus checking out all of the talent on display.
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