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Massacre
Recently, I started thinking about how much it's been hinted at that the main character for the next DLC will have had the same level of involvement in GTA IV's story as Johnny did, so here's what we know about Johnny in regards to his relation with GTA IV's story:

1. He's a minor character, featured only twice in the game.
2. He has small roles in some of the missions (Blow Your Cover, Museum Piece)
3. Unlike characters like Gerry McReary or Jimmy Pegorino, Johnny does gruntwork himself instead of giving orders.
4. His story is mostly untouched in the game, meaning Rockstar doesn't have to work around the plot elements in the main game. Also, what little information we do have is worthy of an expansion.
5. Niko doesn't kill him.

Based on the above criteria, these characters are strong contenders for being the main character of the next dlc.

Gordon Sargent
1. Like Johnny, Packie's friend Gordon only appears twice in the game, so he's a minor character.
2. Gordon appears in the missions "Waste Not Want Knots," in which he and Packie's other friend, Michael are left to fight off Mafia thugs while Packie and Niko make their escape, and in "Ransom," in which he simply sits in the safehouse watching Gracie Ancelotti.
3. Like it says above, Gordon fights off Mafia thugs so somebody else can escape to safety. That's about as grunt as it gets.
4. We're not given any backstory at all regarding Gordon, you could make up anything.
5. As far as we know, Gordon's alive and well by the end of the story.

Jermaine Andrews
1. Jermaine only appears once in the game.
2. He appears in "Easy Fare," in which Niko gives him a ride to pick up hot merchandise.
3. While he is a gang leader, he still goes to pick up his own illegal merch, so he's willing to handle his own business rather than having someone else do it.
4. The only thing we know about him is what is in his police record, which states that he is the leader of street gang M.O.B. (Money Over Bitches).
5. Jermaine is probably still alive.

Luis Lopez
1. Luis is also a minor character.
2. Luis appears in "Three Leaf Clover," in which he just lies on the floor during the bank robbery, "Museum Piece," in which he shoots three people through a window, and "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend," where he goes with "Gay" Tony Prince to the Gracie/diamond tradeoff.
3. He's the leader of a Dominican street gang and Tony Prince's personal bodyguard, so there's plenty of dirty work involved.
4. It would be pretty interesting seeing how everything with the recurring stash of diamonds got started, and most of Luis' story probably involves them.
5. While it's possible to kill Luis during "Three Leaf Clover," it probably doesn't affect anything.

This is just what I've noticed, there are probably a few other possible characters I missed, and any helpful info or constructive criticism is much appreciated.
PabloHoneyOle
Wow, that's a lot of thought and insight into characters I don't even fucking remember.

99% chance you're wrong, no offense. I'm sure R* isn't going to follow the same recipe for the next DLC.

I think the next character should be Eddie Low and center around the events leading up to Niko killing him.
SirPsychoSexy
Yeah, good spotting.

I played Easy Fare a little while ago, so I remember Jermaine Andrews, I thought of the possibility that he might be the next dlc protagonist. But I don't think so anymore, since he is from Broker and I don't think another story will start in Broker. But it could probably be a great story.

The next character will probably be from either Dukes or Bohan. Gordon Sargent is probably from Dukes? But I don't think so.

I can totally buy that Lopez guy, though I never noticed him at all, didn't know it was the same guy in the bank as in the museum. And I read about the Impossible Trinity award, which should mean something... Lopez is probably from Bohan or northern Algonquin, right?

I'm totally in for Lopez!
Massacre
QUOTE(Stoic Person Eater @ Feb 5 2009, 09:40 AM) [snapback]1482146[/snapback]
Wow, that's a lot of thought and insight into characters I don't even fucking remember.

99% chance you're wrong, no offense. I'm sure R* isn't going to follow the same recipe for the next DLC.

I think the next character should be Eddie Low and center around the events leading up to Niko killing him.

I know they probably won't use those characters, I was just, like you said, putting actual thought into it instead of throwing out random guesses like some people (namely Angeal and his pro-Badman shit). It just seems like this was the best way to select the next main character. I had to rule out anyone that was killed in the main game, because what kind of story would it be if you had an epic second-to-last mission, and then the final mission was just Niko putting a bullet in your head?

This was just the most logical way to select the next main character, aside from making up a completely new person.

Despite being killed, Eddie Low would make a great main character. His missions would consist of killing, dissecting, and body disposal, and between missions, you could sodomize joggers and nail your scrotum to the kitchen table.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Feb 5 2009, 12:22 PM) [snapback]1482180[/snapback]
I know they probably won't use those characters, I was just, like you said, putting actual thought into it instead of throwing out random guesses like some people (namely Angeal and his pro-Badman shit). It just seems like this was the best way to select the next main character. I had to rule out anyone that was killed in the main game, because what kind of story would it be if you had an epic second-to-last mission, and then the final mission was just Niko putting a bullet in your head?

This was just the most logical way to select the next main character, aside from making up a completely new person.

Despite being killed, Eddie Low would make a great main character. His missions would consist of killing, dissecting, and body disposal, and between missions, you could sodomize joggers and nail your scrotum to the kitchen table.

I agree with you and I appreciate you putting actual THOUGHT PROCESS (unlike Angeal) into your deductions. It was interesting and makes me want to play back through the game to look for other potential characters.

LOL @ nailing scrotum to kitchen table... I see a mini-game like darts, bowling and arm wrestling.
angeal18
Im now Pro Luis Lopez. It is now clear to me. Its either Luis or Duffman as the next protagonist.
deejay
Little Jacob, nuff said
Massacre
If you look closely during the end credits for The Lost and Damned, there is a part where the camera pans over the Libertonian during Museum Piece/Collector's Item, and in addition to Johnny and Niko, you can clearly see Luis running across the roof and firing his carbine just as the screen fades out, further supporting my Luis theory.
buckwa.inc
yeah luis does look like the main contenteder....but after playing gta4 and now lost and damned.....seems like there going for a theme of loss so my wildcard thought is that there could be a dlc of packie and his brothers back when they were big in liberty city(e.g pic of derrick in irish pub in purgaroty and packie speaks of it a few times in some missions with him) and explain how the lose all that to be living with their mother in broker and being a cheap gun for hire
FuddMan
I reckon it'll be one of the security guards you kill in that mission. You spend several days walking around the museum, and then when the deal goes to shit, you have to stand behind some really bad cover and stick your head out when Niko/Johnny is aiming right at you, killing you instantly and beginning the end sequence where you're taken to the hospital and pronounced dead on arrival. Cue credits.
Massacre
Wow, thanks Duffman. That shoots all my theories to shit...
Full Metal Monkey
I reckon it will be Manny Escuela.

He has a decent back story. Cleaning up the streets which could lead into some other plot points etc.

[spoiler]And yes i know hes dead. But they could work around his story leading upto that or him miraculously (sp) surviving a gun shot to the head.[/spoiler]

But ive also thought it could be Liz Torres. She is a tough lady and has many hands in many jars so that would be an easy way for the writers to work in missions etc.

Ive just had an idea that they might make the new DLC a character who is an undercover police officer. In the first mission which Johnny and Niko work together they get rubbled by an UCO and you don't actually see him get killed, if i remember correctly. Its never been done before in a GTA game.
Massacre
Personally, like I said above, I would rule out anyone who actually gives missions, because why would you go out and do a whole game's worth of missions filled with driving and shooting, and then have Niko go out and do something as simple as drive your car across town? Manny and Elizabeta didn't do anything for themselves, they wouldn't be good main characters.
Full Metal Monkey
Yeah but we don't know how exactly Manny managed to get his video deal. The stuff he had to do before then must have been pretty significanunt to get noticed ie (possible mission) killing a bunch of dealers selling to kids etc. Which would clean up the area or whatever.

It works in my mind.

I doubt Rockstar would make it of them but its a posibility.
ViceMan
TBH I wouldn't like to see someone connected to the same missions as Johnny was to Niko, like seeing the museum shootout from a third perspective was enough, (although I haven't even seen the second.) As already stated it'd have to be someone who does the work with you (or against you) rather than hands out the jobs. Or possibly as I mentioned once before R* could go back in time and show someone's rise to power, everyone had to start at the bottom doing errands to get to the top; I'd like to see Dwayne's story in the early 90's. But I doubt this will happen.

Thinking about it, for the 2nd DLC R* will not only have to remember Niko's story but also Johnny's story and remember plot elements, like who's been killed in the storyline, who's where when something happens, etc.
Roman
As great as that list is, you are missing one huge criteria. Theme. Niko was an immigrant. Johnny was a Biker. So we know that Rockstar will not have someone new coming to LC, and they will not be Bikers. So that leaves the mob or gangsters.
ViceMan
QUOTE(Roman @ Feb 22 2009, 04:53 PM) [snapback]1486214[/snapback]
As great as that list is, you are missing one huge criteria. Theme. Niko was an immigrant. Johnny was a Biker. So we know that Rockstar will not have someone new coming to LC, and they will not be Bikers. So that leaves the mob or gangsters.

I was thinking maybe one of Pegorino's goons, I remember Phil mentioning in a mission that some of their crew had to capture a van off one of the other rival families, and thinking about it it sounds like a good mission, perhaps one of the guys from the Pegorino's Pride mission, did we actually see them get killed?
Massacre
Everyone on my list fits that criteria on some level. Actually, Jermaine and Luis are gang leaders, like Johnny. I didn't put that in my list because Niko doesn't have a consistent affiliation with any of the gangs in the game.

And yeah, both of the goons die in Pegorino's Pride. I think Phil is the only one who survives the game.
Roman
QUOTE(Massacre @ Feb 22 2009, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1486218[/snapback]
Everyone on my list fits that criteria on some level.


You are probably right, I just didn't bother to read the post at all and just decided to take a chance to post it.
ViceMan
Actually doesn't the last mission in TL&D involve breaking into the prison to kill Billy, and afterwards all the prisoners escape, meaning there's a possibility Gerry could've escaped too. Although I wouldn't expect him to be a protagonist, but it just occurred to me and I thought i'd post it.

I'unno, it's something else to think about.
Money Over Bullshit
Hey guys, I was just browsing on google and found this thread so I thought I might have an input.

It think it would make for a really good game if you took control of Jermaine Andrews as he is the leader of a street gang and that could make for some very intresting storylines and scenarios.

I also think it would be ok to start of in broker again because like its a whole different side of the borough than was explored in Niko's story. Added to this the fact that he is an afro american which could lead to that "black man from the ghetto coming up in the world" story that we all know and love.

And lets face it there is a lot of black people in New york so itd seem kinda weird if events in Liberty City didnt in some way reflect this.
And what better way than to have a story based on our man Jermaine as he tries to emancipate himself from his sh**ty life and put his gang at the top of the underworld.

It would also tie in with the main story because he is friends with Roman but it is never explained how nor is the reason he needs to get the parts from the lock up.. so this could be definitely built upon me thinks.

It would also be good if the story started a bit before the events of GTA 4 since TLAD started slightly after Niko came to Liberty City
The Awesome One
but i wanna b LITTLE JACOB OR PACKIE...
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(therealcbc @ Mar 2 2009, 09:14 AM) [snapback]1488076[/snapback]
but i wanna b LITTLE JACOB OR PACKIE...

Thanks for your insightful contribution.

I just want everyone to flash back to when the initial DLC was announced. Out of all the predictions, "evidence" and hot leads; I don't think anyone was correct in guessing that Johnny would be the character in the 1st DLC. Everyone guessed Packie or Little Jacob or UL Paper or Packie's grandma.

When it comes to DLC, it's fun to play guessing games and support it with bullshit facts (like what you saw during your playthrough). Fact is, you're all probably wrong and Rockstar has much better ideas than your inbred intellect can muster.

The next DLC character will be Packie's Grandmother. I called Dan Houser to confirm. I'll post another topic about it in the "Downloadable Content / Next GTA Discussion" section.
Money Over Bullshit
QUOTE
Thanks for your insightful contribution.

I just want everyone to flash back to when the initial DLC was announced. Out of all the predictions, "evidence" and hot leads; I don't think anyone was correct in guessing that Johnny would be the character in the 1st DLC. Everyone guessed Packie or Little Jacob or UL Paper or Packie's grandma.

When it comes to DLC, it's fun to play guessing games and support it with bullshit facts (like what you saw during your playthrough). Fact is, you're all probably wrong and Rockstar has much better ideas than your inbred intellect can muster.

The next DLC character will be Packie's Grandmother. I called Dan Houser to confirm. I'll post another topic about it in the "Downloadable Content / Next GTA Discussion" section.



Cool! I cant wait to play as her!!

Thanks 4 clearing that up rolleyes.gif
PabloHoneyOle
I want people to discuss the next DLC character; just not to get too detailed with their insights because chances are, they are totally wrong.

Massacre
I just went through all the detail in my opening post in hopes that it would put an end to people just throwing out random guesses without thinking or researching. No such luck, apparently. M.O.B. seemed to think about his choice, at least.

Also, M.O.B., I'm guessing your name is derived from Money Over Bitches, the gang that Jermaine leads.
PabloHoneyOle
QUOTE(Massacre @ Mar 2 2009, 12:47 PM) [snapback]1488127[/snapback]
I just went through all the detail in my opening post in hopes that it would put an end to people just throwing out random guesses without thinking or researching. No such luck, apparently. M.O.B. seemed to think about his choice, at least.

Also, M.O.B., I'm guessing your name is derived from Money Over Bitches, the gang that Jermaine leads.

I'm sorry, I wasn't yelling at you.

You actually make a compelling case for the next DLC character. IGN has the release date for Episode 2 being Q3 2009 and even has December 31st, 2009 listed. I wouldn't quote IGN, I'm just saying we should be hearing the emergence of details over the next few months
trathen93
I think that whatever way you look at it the next character will probably be a minority.
maybe jacob or packie fit the bill. cos theres not many rastas in liberty city and not many irish making them both minorities.
or even a mobster. its hard to guess when theres so many options for rockstar.
ViceMan
But I wanna play as Bernie Crane! Why oh why can't we be flamboyant and stylish and yet also quite proficient at wielding an AK-47! Damn you R*!
Money Over Bullshit
QUOTE(Massacre @ Mar 2 2009, 05:47 PM) [snapback]1488127[/snapback]
I just went through all the detail in my opening post in hopes that it would put an end to people just throwing out random guesses without thinking or researching. No such luck, apparently. M.O.B. seemed to think about his choice, at least.

Also, M.O.B., I'm guessing your name is derived from Money Over Bitches, the gang that Jermaine leads.



Yeah man that's where I got the name... I went with Bullshit instead of Bitches though so as not to come off as a wannabe Pac.

Maybe I was just dreaming with that Suggestion but I still think it would be cool.

It's almost a certainty that Luis Lopez is the next protagonist but Rockstar may suprise us like they did seem to make it a bit too obvious if it is going to be him.

If it is though I'm gonna hold out for Jermaine for episode 3. *crosses fingers*

Chances are if they do make a third DLC it'll be on PS3. No doubt sony will want a piece of that pie... They've already expressed interest in more GTA for the PSP so they're obviously keen to make some sort of deal to get level with MS.
Full Metal Monkey
M.O.B - I think they will make a 3rd episode which will be for all versions because don't forget that the PC Market will want something too.

Its news to me about the PSP though. Sounds interesting but i think Nintendo might hold a license for being the sole portable console for Grand Theft Auto games.
Money Over Bullshit
QUOTE(Full Metal Monkey @ Mar 3 2009, 06:44 PM) [snapback]1488314[/snapback]
M.O.B - I think they will make a 3rd episode which will be for all versions because don't forget that the PC Market will want something too.

Its news to me about the PSP though. Sounds interesting but i think Nintendo might hold a license for being the sole portable console for Grand Theft Auto games.



Yeah... I read about it in this article here

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/02/27/more-psp-gta/

Full Metal Monkey
M.O.B - Sorry dude i was being completely retarded when i typed the part about Nintendo having a contract. Id completely forgotten about Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories.

And i own them both too!

Still i need to find both my PSP and DS before i get a chance to play any of the new portable Grand Theft Autos. I think i left them round my old flatshare. Along with some awesome DVDs and a few games. sad.gif
Money Over Bullshit
Yeah they were good games... how could u forget them haha.

Some info from the LCPD database: It says Jermaine is suspected of commiting some "low priority hijackings" in the area recently...

That sounds a bit too abiguous to be just a piece of meaningless info so maybe we'll see him again and these low priority hijackings will be experienced first hand??

I hope so drool.gif
Skinny 
It won't be Packie or Jacob, because they are with Niko for so much. You would be playing the same missions from a different perspective, the EXACT same missions. What made Johnny so perfect, was that he was only ever shown for a brief second, then he split up from Niko in the original game, leaving doors open to what could happen to him. This is what makes Luis so perfect. I'm pretty convinced it will be him, due to the evidence (Impossible Trinity etc.) but it's not like Rockstar to be so sloppy in revealing something like this... so it may just be to throw us off!
Marney1
Its a shame Eddie Low is dead because that could have brought some sick scenes to our screens.
After I killed him I don't remember confirmation of his death, he could have been playing dead for all I know.
(With 27 bullets in the face and a grenade up his arse he might be in a coma).
SirPsychoSexy
If it's gonna be a black guy I don't want him to come from Broker but Bohan or Holland or something, doesn't really matter though because I think it's LFL!
Marney1
WTF is LFL?
Massacre
QUOTE(marney1 @ Apr 13 2009, 01:35 PM) [snapback]1495522[/snapback]
WTF is LFL?

Luis Fernando Lopez.
6 shooter
QUOTE(marney1 @ Apr 13 2009, 06:44 PM) [snapback]1495510[/snapback]
Its a shame Eddie Low is dead because that could have brought some sick scenes to our screens.
After I killed him I don't remember confirmation of his death, he could have been playing dead for all I know.
(With 27 bullets in the face and a grenade up his arse he might be in a coma).

Well, I don't see a reason why Eddie wouldn't be able to appear as a random character. All of his missions could easily be done before the eventual encounter with Niko.

But Eddie Low won't be the main DLC character for one simple reason: he is a truly evil character and R* maintains a policy of main protagonists in GTA games displaying a variety of positive, human traits.
ViceMan
QUOTE(6 shooter @ Apr 15 2009, 01:54 PM) [snapback]1495977[/snapback]
But Eddie Low won't be the main DLC character for one simple reason: he is a truly evil character and R* maintains a policy of main protagonists in GTA games displaying a variety of positive, human traits.


Plus he's not really into organised crime, just perverted killing and sexual acts.
Massacre
QUOTE(ViceMan @ Apr 15 2009, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1495985[/snapback]
Plus he's not really into organised crime, just perverted killing and sexual acts.

FTW.
The Awesome One
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LOL

I dont care who it is really, as long as they can fire a gun then Im not bothered...
SirPsychoSexy
A little off topic maybe but I was just cruising aroung LC and walked around the Libertonian. There was some scaffolds on the back of the building and I climbed a ladder and there was the window in which Luis ambushes the diamond deal.

You probably knew about it already but got me excited about the second DLC and it convinced me even more that LL is the next protagonist!
Massacre
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ Apr 17 2009, 05:39 PM) [snapback]1496647[/snapback]
A little off topic maybe but I was just cruising aroung LC and walked around the Libertonian. There was some scaffolds on the back of the building and I climbed a ladder and there was the window in which Luis ambushes the diamond deal.

You probably knew about it already but got me excited about the second DLC and it convinced me even more that LL is the next protagonist!

YES. That was always my spot in MP. I would find some random black dude and have him watch the scaffolding while I rained death upon everyone on the ground.

The L&D credits show Luis running across the rooftop, so I'm guessing there's a shootout of some kind up there.
Indy
New protagonist will be Lola. I have no evidence nor will I provide any.
Skinny 
QUOTE(thespacecowboy @ Apr 18 2009, 07:39 AM) [snapback]1496647[/snapback]
I was just cruising aroung LC and walked around the Libertonian. There was some scaffolds on the back of the building and I climbed a ladder and there was the window in which Luis ambushes the diamond deal.

You have me convinced....
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