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DonkeyTits
Well with all these fancy games coming out I reckon it's time to upgrade. Now I have virtually no money right now so I won't be buying anything for at least 2 months. But I might as well get my hopes up now. I know a little bit about the basics of computers, but not enough. I don't know about what specs are/aren't important, or if certain parts are compatible, etc. I run a lot of desktop applications but I also play games. I want to overbuild it now so that it's not a paperwait in a few years.

Processor: I want to get a quad core. My last 2 rigs have been AMD dual cores, I am definitely looking to go quad. I don't know why exactly, but I've been reading and have heard from miscellaneous people that Intel is superior(though more expensive)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115041

That seems to be powerful, and is the best bang for the buck. The 3.0 Quad core is a hue jump. Input?

Hard Drive: Any reason not to get an internal? I want at least a terabyte of total storage. I've been told that getting a speed higher than 7200 rpm is better, but am not sure why. It allows for faster file locating? Is it really worth the (ton of) extra money to get something faster than 7200rpm? Someone educate me, what is the reason for the $100. price difference between these two hd's?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136284
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136313

Video Card: This is where I am clueless. I've heard the Geforce? 8800's are good? I understand there are different models (8800 Gt, 8800Gtx, etc) I saw a 9600 or something but it had crap reviews? What are some of the best cards out there now?

Motherboards: Again, I don't know how to tell which mobo's are compatible with which processors. I reckon I should get one that supports overclocking, should I ever need it(?) What else do I need to consider when shopping for one?

Ram: I understand that more ram is better, to a point. What's a respectable overkill amount? 4gb? More? I've also heard that there is 'good' ram and 'slow' ram. What do I need to know about this? Should I get 2x2 gbs? Or is 1x4 better/worse? Should I just say fuck it and get 2x4?

Power Supply: I'll need at least 1000 watts I reckon? How can I tell exactly?

Case: I currently have a gaming case, am I going to need a huge case to hold the (presumably) bigger power supply and (presumably) graphics card? Or should all this fit in an averaged-sized home/gaming pc case? I'm undeclared on an OS as of now. I see no reason to get Vista yet. What was the deal with Direct X 10, did it require Vista? (<<am I stupid?)

A rundown on all those bits would be great. Gimme what you got...



Edit:

Something like this is in the ballpark: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16883229053

But the graphics seem kinda par? How's that ram? I know ddr3 is good, but still.
Should I consider a build w/ 2 graphics cards? I basically want a system that can play any game at raping max for the next 2 years. Come on guys!

Edit: Or maybe one of these two? How is the higher price of the second on justified? The biggest difference I see is the graphics setup:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16883227118
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16883239004
Pieface
Budget for this build?
DonkeyTits
Eh, it depends. Show me your best build for a 1250ish and then 1700ish usd.
I've been doing some research.

Edit: This seems like a solid start:

$179.00Case: good cooling, large
$295.00i7 920 (2.66) processor. Can be safely clocked to 3.8 w/ up'd cooling.
$270.00Motherboard: Biostar, supports triple SLi
$150.00Power supply: cheap compared to others.
$420.00Video: Nvida GeFroce GTX 280
$110.00Hardrive from above
$140.00Ram: had to skimp a little. People say that triple channel would be better, but this'll work.
Miscellaneous cooling, $50

Looking about $1650.00 That seems like a solid start, price is reasonable? Prices will probably drop in a few months as well, so this is on the high side. Well?
CygnusX
You have some decent and some less decent components selected, however I would wait for NVIDIA to release their 40nm card line. It will cause the "old" cards like the GTX280 to drop in price greatly.

Be wary spending so many $ though, I would only advise to purchase something this expensive if you knew exactly how to handle all that hardware, i.e. tweak and overclock safely. Otherwise it would be a waste of money, really. You won't notice the difference between 55 or 65fps.
DonkeyTits
Well I have recently become very interested in pc's and their workings. I actually had my very first (awww) overclocking adventure on this rig early this morning. It was interesting, to say the least . . . I have been doing a bit of research. I know now that I should get a 10k rpm hard drive, for optimal gaming. The video card is still a toss up. People seem to like the Radeon 4870 X2 over the 280. I know I'd be getting the i7, for sure. There was another motherboard for about the same price, an asus?, and a friend really likes them.

I don't think I made it clear enough initially. I want to make a rapingly overkill machine today, so in 2 years it still handles everything great. My plan is to start off with one graphics card, then another when I can afford it. We'll see . .
Pieface
If you want to make a Rapingly Overkill Gaming Machine you deffinitel want a Solid State Drive.
DonkeyTits
Mk. I understand how they would be faster in theory, and it seems like a good investment.

I would basically install my Os, applications and games on the SSD, and then have all my basic storage (movies, music, pics, etc) on another, cheaper Hd?

They definitely get expensive. Going by Newegg's ratings, this is the best band for the buck that they sell:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231220

Or actually, its brother:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231221
psychÝ
QUOTE(DonkeyTits @ Dec 5 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]1473964[/snapback]
Mk. I understand how they would be faster in theory, and it seems like a good investment.

I would basically install my Os, applications and games on the SSD, and then have all my basic storage (movies, music, pics, etc) on another, cheaper Hd?

Well kind of, it would be more like you put your favourite new games and OS on the solid state drive and any other applications on normal hard drives, other than gaming or rendering for gaming or something similar it is pretty pointless as a SATA 3.0g drive will be easily fast enough.
Pieface
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QUOTE(DonkeyTits @ Dec 5 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]1473964[/snapback]
Mk. I understand how they would be faster in theory, and it seems like a good investment.

I would basically install my Os, applications and games on the SSD, and then have all my basic storage (movies, music, pics, etc) on another, cheaper Hd?

Well kind of, it would be more like you put your favourite new games and OS on the solid state drive and any other applications on normal hard drives, other than gaming or rendering for gaming or something similar it is pretty pointless as a SATA 3.0g drive will be easily fast enough.


I was just going by the fact on how he wants a Rapingly Overkill Machine. So I'm saying a SSD as its the best HDD on the market if you just load up Games on it. Not decent storage without a super high price.
DonkeyTits
Which is why I wouldn't store everything on it. Just primary applications, etc.
CygnusX
Do you have money to burn? tongue.gif
DonkeyTits
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Do you have money to burn? tongue.gif



See top 2 lines on topic. And I think I'll be prolonging this to at least 3 months.
gamerguy45

I recomend definitly going Intel because honestly i have lost count the amount of phenoms (AMD's quad cores) i have seen fail.The intel quads also have anumber of better features like they have more cache and faster front side buses and so on.

For the graphics card im telling you this now ATI is cheaper and there cards are better and better quality. as far as i know there best card atm is the HD 4870 X2 I have the HD 3870 X2 and its served me well so im considering the hd 4870 X2 now.

Two great motherboard brands Gigabyte and Asus wouldnt get anything less.

with the ram 4Gb is now the standard if you want over kill go 8Gb. The whole two sticks to make up the 4 Gb or the 4 sticks to make 8 Gb is simple realy. One stick of 8Gb ram can hold 8 gb info and run at a certain speed so sometimes when the processor comes around to collect its next bit of info that stick isnt ready, if you had 4 sticks of 2Gb ram the processor would get one bit of info from one of the sticks every cycle so it gives the other 3 sticks time to get ready for its next task its called dual channel and some mobos can do quad channel too. you still have 8Gb but technicaly 4 x the speed.

here is a free power supply calculator... http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

This is what my sys specs are i spent 3k on it 7 months ago should give you an indication of what price range to expect for the sys you want... http://www.gta4.tv/forums/index.php?showto...p;#entry1475473
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