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I wasn't talking about big businesses. No, I was pointing out how just because the financiers/builders/designers call it progress does not make it so. As far as I feel they are selling the idea of progress which is ingrained in the minds of Americans as this cultural opium we cannot live without. Progress to me is not simply making the world look safe for democracy. Progress is moving ahead with something that hasn't been thought of yet. This is stewardship. The state of NY needs corporations to keep the streets fresh and clean and bright with new projects but as for curing the squatting, crack dealing, and other derelict sites seen at Coney Island--this renovation of sorts is not going to solve that problem forever. Progress would be finding a way to end reasons for such derelict sites in the first place.
I like that phrase "the only constant is change" but the way you use it is misguided. What else is changing here that people thought the first incarnation of Coney Island would bring?
And stop with the insults. If you fail at logic it should be pointed out, but I know what I'm talking about and at least OPx does too.
Again, spouting semantics about the 'American cultural opium' and the level democracy associated with Coney Island. Jesus Christ. Call it a renovation, renewal project, or 'stewardship' you want, but the upgrading of shitty locations in high profile cities to make room for new residents, new jobs and new businesses/corporations. I think that is the cultural opium called The American Dream
Well, I'm not spouting the semantics on the cultural opium at all. I'm arguing in semantics while talking about this cultural opium called the American Dream.
You can argue all you want that corporations are evil and everyone is money hungry, but you're just looking at it from a skewed negative light. You feel very strongly about your idealistic convictions, I respect that; but I certainly don't agree. I don't know who you are, your level of education and experience in the 'real world' is; but the one sided view you're presenting appears to be negatively uninformed.
I never said I think corporations are like that. In fact, I said we need them. They are necessary to society. I was not being negative. Please, read again.
I don't mean this as an insult, just an observation; it appears you don't know much about the history of Coney Island. There have been many amusement parks that have been associated with Coney Island. Luna Park, Steeplechase Park, and Dreamland have all suffered the same fates of Astroland. There have been many owners and developers and each one chose to take Coney Island in a new direction. Some hurt Coney Island by introducing low grade housing or misusing land space inefficiently. Others brought in businesses and residents that has helped shape Coney Island into the historical 'gem' it is now.
Good observation. I haven't really read up on Coney Island. I went there a couple of times though. Enjoyed it when I was younger.
No matter which way the developers went, Coney Island has remained exactly what it's first 'incarnation' was: A seaside resort in the one of the largest cities in the US where millions of people come to make memories with their loved ones. Some things have changed, but the traditions, the history and the culture of Coney Island is something that's instilled in the community and something that the corporations will not overlook or destroy in attempt to make a quick dollar.
Well, that is not always true but I don't think that happens in most cases. If you think my comment about getting paid was my opinion of the corporate lot; yes, money is one of the factors driving them but... all I meant was that just because they say it is progress and everyone else thinks its progress, I don't think it is so. Progress tends to be a nice news subject and its easier to call it progress than to belittle it by saying it is a necessary action of stewardship of a great relic. I think the remodelling is great. It needs it, but I just don't think it is progress the way you do. That's all. I'm not some smarmy guy trying to win somebody over in semantics.
The historic landmarks; the Cyclone, the Wonder Wheel and the Parachute Drop tower (which hasn't worked in over 50+ years; yet has been fully restored and is treated as a landmark); will serve as a backdrop for a new generation of memories at Coney Island. The rides that are being removed are the parks that are spread out over a large amount of valuable property. That area is going to be restructured to be more efficient in regards to space and yes, economic gain.
That's great. Honestly, I hope in years to come I might build something history will remember as well. I'm a student looking at civil engineering.
It won't stay 'nice and new' forever, "Nothing Gold Can Stay"; decades will pass and crime and deterioration will take it's toll on the 'New Coney Island'. Another developer will step in and buy the property and try to bring RENEWAL and PROGRESS back to Coney Island, it's a never ending cycle: The American Dream; get used to it or move to the rainforests of Fiji.
You know my opinion on this matter. Nothing more will be argued.