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Summarization - Many Chinese people have been abruptly kicked out of their homes so that the Chinese Government can construct more attractions for the Olympics. China is predicted to be the world's largest economy by 2020... And this is the extent of their ignorance of human rights? If we hadn't given up a good majority of our manufacturing jobs to other countries like China, we wouldn't be in this "recession". That, and a combination of the war, and other things. But my main point is, it must suck to live there, especially for the working class.
Skinny†
When Chinesse are tortured it's prety bad. I've seen the pictures they show in China town of people chained up by their hands and angry dogs being let at them. Now imagine having that done to you after being thrown from your house and told it was for the olympics.

They lost the 2000 olympics to Sydney (<3) for killing all those protestors and after we believed they had toned it down, this. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the olympics to abother city.
Amis
What else did you expect from Dictatorshit of All Mighty Eternal China. As soon as they have a revolution, things will get better. But I don't see that happening for long time.
Skinny†
Rather than fighting in Iraq I reckon our troops shold be in China kicking dickheads like this out of power. It would do wonders for western nations econimies, bring the jobs over here and all.

Then again, that would increase their standar of living making it hard for the companies that the politicans who can stop this madness are on the pocket of to exploit them.
Austin
Beggars belief that piece of shite regime was allowed to host the olympics in the first place.

Decent countries should boycott the olympics.. but they won't because they care too much about trade with China. Same goes for most things.
psychÝ
QUOTE(Skinny. @ Feb 24 2008, 11:44 AM) [snapback]1395486[/snapback]
Rather than fighting in Iraq I reckon our troops shold be in China kicking dickheads like this out of power.
Lol you would get fucking owned that would be the problem, they have 1 billion people and perfectly good weapons to give to them.

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Then again, that would increase their standar of living making it hard for the companies that the politicans who can stop this madness are on the pocket of to exploit them.

China is hardly being exploited, you can hardly even claim the people are, they have a better standard of living then they did, plus the fact that the Chinese government is artificially inflating its currency to increase the trade deficit with the US, which is fucking over the US economy.
Caliph
Skinny: I would love seeing America's military force facing off against one of the most powerful countries on Earth. To each his own, let the Chinese people handle their own problems instead of creating WW3. Besides, theyre 1 billion people Im sure suffering is inevitable in a country that has so much masses to control.
Heartless
Between the problems in Taiwan and Burma, and the increasing human rights violations in China and Iran, with the added threat of an Iran-Syria missile crisis backed by Russia, could this be one more marker in the line towards the eventual WW3? I guess OPEC just has to switch to the Euro to start the fireworks.
Hardcore Ottoman
Chinese prosperity is congruent to the the "prosperity" of America: there is a good portion that still lives in deep poverty. To think China is fine is a response ignorant of the matter.


Btw, now that corporations know outsourcing is cheaper they won't stop doing it. The government can't do shit about so don't fucking go pissy on the government to solve your problems. Want to solve them? Try to make some international co. outsourcing law or something... I don't really know. Co. loyalty to their country is diminishing these days. To me it's just about getting lucky, developing a high-demand craft or profession, and be vigilant in your fight for jobs.

psychÝ
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The government can't do shit about so don't fucking go pissy on the government to solve your problems.

Actually they can they can tax imports from certain areas like the EU does.

Plus china rules it means I can buy everything I ever wanted and other stuff that I never really wanted but still might as well have for nothing.

I mean I got a USB charger for my MP3 player for £2.09 including shipping.
Hardcore Ottoman
My response to that is: plus shipping.

And yes, the govt can do that but the US only does sorts of things to nations that have done no-noes like Cuba. Plus, the WTO.
psychÝ
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My response to that is: plus shipping.

And yes, the govt can do that but the US only does sorts of things to nations that have done no-noes like Cuba. Plus, the WTO.

Owned, that was with shipping, the shipping cost a bank busting 85p
Severus Snape
People out here complaining about China's human rights policies, without thinking about the US (and yes, I am a proud American citizen). Think about all the things that the US ignores here at home while trying to play police force to the world:

1. Homelessness. Millions of american people (including children) have no homes and are ignored by the government.
2. Health Insurance. If we are such a great nation, then how is it that we can't insure almost 50% of our population?
3. Education. Remember "No Child Left Behind"?
4. Economics. I don't need to point out the recession, do I?
5. Dependence on foreign oil. It's about time the government actually lets an alternative fuel source become mainstream.
6. Outsourcing of american jobs. Yeah, China gets all the work and america gets screwed.

I could go on (greenhouse gases, global warming, pollution, transportation, etc.), but this would get to be way too big of a post. My point here is that everyone is so concerned with China's human rights policies, yet nobody seems to care that the US government treats its own citizens just as badly - just not as overtly.
Skinny†
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QUOTE(Skinny. @ Feb 24 2008, 11:44 AM) [snapback]1395486[/snapback]
Rather than fighting in Iraq I reckon our troops shold be in China kicking dickheads like this out of power.
Lol you would get fucking owned that would be the problem, they have 1 billion people and perfectly good weapons to give to them.

Running in and shooting everyone is hardly what most people would have in mind. Inciting a revolution would be logical.



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Then again, that would increase their standar of living making it hard for the companies that the politicans who can stop this madness are on the pocket of to exploit them.


China is hardly being exploited[quote]

Ok, it turns out the toys in my happy meal were made by kids in some other country for 50c an hour.
Austin
QUOTE(Arch Angel @ Feb 26 2008, 01:54 PM) [snapback]1395998[/snapback]
People out here complaining about China's human rights policies, without thinking about the US (and yes, I am a proud American citizen). Think about all the things that the US ignores here at home while trying to play police force to the world:

1. Homelessness. Millions of american people (including children) have no homes and are ignored by the government.
2. Health Insurance. If we are such a great nation, then how is it that we can't insure almost 50% of our population?
3. Education. Remember "No Child Left Behind"?
4. Economics. I don't need to point out the recession, do I?
5. Dependence on foreign oil. It's about time the government actually lets an alternative fuel source become mainstream.
6. Outsourcing of american jobs. Yeah, China gets all the work and america gets screwed.

I could go on (greenhouse gases, global warming, pollution, transportation, etc.), but this would get to be way too big of a post. My point here is that everyone is so concerned with China's human rights policies, yet nobody seems to care that the US government treats its own citizens just as badly - just not as overtly.

Don't compare the US to China.

The things you listed are trivial compared to what goes on in China.
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE(Arch Angel @ Feb 26 2008, 08:54 AM) [snapback]1395998[/snapback]
People out here complaining about China's human rights policies, without thinking about the US (and yes, I am a proud American citizen). Think about all the things that the US ignores here at home while trying to play police force to the world:

1. Homelessness. Millions of american people (including children) have no homes and are ignored by the government.
2. Health Insurance. If we are such a great nation, then how is it that we can't insure almost 50% of our population?
3. Education. Remember "No Child Left Behind"?
4. Economics. I don't need to point out the recession, do I?
5. Dependence on foreign oil. It's about time the government actually lets an alternative fuel source become mainstream.
6. Outsourcing of american jobs. Yeah, China gets all the work and america gets screwed.

I could go on (greenhouse gases, global warming, pollution, transportation, etc.), but this would get to be way too big of a post. My point here is that everyone is so concerned with China's human rights policies, yet nobody seems to care that the US government treats its own citizens just as badly - just not as overtly.

You are such a fucking thick-headed idiot.

1: Trust me, the USA is doing better than most other countries of our giant size; and we aren't ignoring them out of spite.
2: Because we aren't a socialist nation. The only socialist precedence in the USA's history started chiefly in the early 1900's and onto the New Deal era. I think most citizens are too used to sitting on their ass and waiting for a free handout.
3: Let's see you try to fix education. Stop fucking pointing the finger and think about how you would start everything that didn't include pissing people off with taxes.
4: Recessions happen all of the time. The economy is prone to dips... stop thinking slippery slope.
5: A decent point of yours. Why should we depend on someone else who can fuck us? (Also think of US citizens depending on everything from their govt as well, and look up the original definition of a govt--and our govt as well).
6: Get over it. The US govt has no control over privately-owned corporations...

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about AA... people like you are a disease. The US govt doesn't treat anyone bad, they just don't hold their hand the whole time; the same goes with China's govt, although they have some control over business a few are privatized and working by their own agenda--thus their govt has no part in their injustices directly.
Severus Snape
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1. Homelessness. Millions of american people (including children) have no homes and are ignored by the government.
1: Trust me, the USA is doing better than most other countries of our giant size; and we aren't ignoring them out of spite.
If we aren't ignoring them, then why are they homeless? I will admit that there are a lot of people out there that are looking for a free handout. But what about those who have no choice - like kids, the eldery, and the sick? I suppose letting them live on the streets without acknowledging that they exist isn't ignoring them?

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2. Health Insurance. If we are such a great nation, then how is it that we can't insure almost 50% of our population?
2: Because we aren't a socialist nation. The only socialist precedence in the USA's history started chiefly in the early 1900's and onto the New Deal era. I think most citizens are too used to sitting on their ass and waiting for a free handout.


A good point about socialism. But that still doesn't explain why this country is unable to insure almost 50% of its population. We can insure the elderly (Medicare) and the disabled (Medicaid), but we can't insure everyone else without people thinking we are socialist?

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3. Education. Remember "No Child Left Behind"?
3: Let's see you try to fix education. Stop fucking pointing the finger and think about how you would start everything that didn't include pissing people off with taxes.
Do you think before you write? The government passed this so called "bill" into law, and therefore it becomes the responsibility of the government to do something about it. And seeing as you brought up taxes, I would like to point out that I think people who have children should be taxed more than people without them. If you have children, you should be paying more taxes for schools.

And don't everyone jump on me at once about how people with kids should get more tax breaks so they can live. Blah blah blah. Sick of hearing it. If you're so fucking broke, then keep your pants on and stop having children that you can't take care of.

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4. Economics. I don't need to point out the recession, do I?
4: Recessions happen all of the time. The economy is prone to dips... stop thinking slippery slope.


Yes, the economy is prone to ups and downs. But that doesn't mean the government is doing anything about it. In fact, our current recession is a combination of the war in iraq, the housing crisis, the fed cutting the interest rate, and our dependence on foreign oil.

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5. Dependence on foreign oil. It's about time the government actually lets an alternative fuel source become mainstream.
5: A decent point of yours. Why should we depend on someone else who can fuck us? (Also think of US citizens depending on everything from their govt as well, and look up the original definition of a govt--and our govt as well).
The thought started off intelligently, and then you took a left-turn at idiotic. Re-read the declaration of independence - of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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6. Outsourcing of american jobs. Yeah, China gets all the work and america gets screwed.
6: Get over it. The US govt has no control over privately-owned corporations...


But the US government does have control over who gets what tax breaks. And if they are giving bigger tax breaks to companies that outsource their jobs to foreign countries, then I would have to say that the government DOES have control over privately owned corporations. If you owned a major company and had the choice between taking a $1000 tax deduction for ever job you outsourced or only $500 for every job you kept here, which would you do? Sounds to me like our government wants jobs outsourced. (disclaimer - the numbers above are in no way verified for their accuracy. So don't ask me where I got them from)

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You have no fucking idea what you are talking about AA... people like you are a disease. The US govt doesn't treat anyone bad, they just don't hold their hand the whole time; the same goes with China's govt, although they have some control over business a few are privatized and working by their own agenda--thus their govt has no part in their injustices directly.


The next time you want to spout off about me being a disease, I think you should check what you are talking about. Our government does treat people badly, and they have passed laws that allow them to do so legally. Don't believe me? Read the Patriot Act. Better yet, read the constitution again, especially the part about how the government and the military have the ability to use privately owned homes during times of need.
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE(Arch Angel @ Feb 28 2008, 08:07 AM) [snapback]1396533[/snapback]
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1. Homelessness. Millions of american people (including children) have no homes and are ignored by the government.
1: Trust me, the USA is doing better than most other countries of our giant size; and we aren't ignoring them out of spite.
If we aren't ignoring them, then why are they homeless? I will admit that there are a lot of people out there that are looking for a free handout. But what about those who have no choice - like kids, the eldery, and the sick? I suppose letting them live on the streets without acknowledging that they exist isn't ignoring them?
Stop putting words in my mouth. Serious. But specifically, do something about it.

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2. Health Insurance. If we are such a great nation, then how is it that we can't insure almost 50% of our population?
2: Because we aren't a socialist nation. The only socialist precedence in the USA's history started chiefly in the early 1900's and onto the New Deal era. I think most citizens are too used to sitting on their ass and waiting for a free handout.


A good point about socialism. But that still doesn't explain why this country is unable to insure almost 50% of its population. We can insure the elderly (Medicare) and the disabled (Medicaid), but we can't insure everyone else without people thinking we are socialist?
We would be considered more socialist... which means more taxes and America has a history of disliking taxes to say the least.

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3. Education. Remember "No Child Left Behind"?
3: Let's see you try to fix education. Stop fucking pointing the finger and think about how you would start everything that didn't include pissing people off with taxes.
Do you think before you write? The government passed this so called "bill" into law, and therefore it becomes the responsibility of the government to do something about it. And seeing as you brought up taxes, I would like to point out that I think people who have children should be taxed more than people without them. If you have children, you should be paying more taxes for schools.

And don't everyone jump on me at once about how people with kids should get more tax breaks so they can live. Blah blah blah. Sick of hearing it. If you're so fucking broke, then keep your pants on and stop having children that you can't take care of.
This bill that was put into law is a joke. Why won't you think to wonder what I meant by that? Did you think?

I know that because of this law that Florida's general education has increased substantially mainly because I live here, but the side effect are FCATs and other such standardized tests that are unfair modes of gauging students' intelligence.

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4. Economics. I don't need to point out the recession, do I?
4: Recessions happen all of the time. The economy is prone to dips... stop thinking slippery slope.


Yes, the economy is prone to ups and downs. But that doesn't mean the government is doing anything about it. In fact, our current recession is a combination of the war in iraq, the housing crisis, the fed cutting the interest rate, and our dependence on foreign oil.
Did you know the stock market crash back in 1929 was caused partly by economists whose actions made everyone lose trust in the market and oversell? Our money within our country is based upon the trust of the citizens that the country will prosper, so basically flipping out over the economy is not the solution--it is part of the problem.

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5. Dependence on foreign oil. It's about time the government actually lets an alternative fuel source become mainstream.
5: A decent point of yours. Why should we depend on someone else who can fuck us? (Also think of US citizens depending on everything from their govt as well, and look up the original definition of a govt--and our govt as well).
The thought started off intelligently, and then you took a left-turn at idiotic. Re-read the declaration of independence - of the people, by the people, and for the people.
It is funny you say I'm left... when you sir seem more fucking idiotically liberal than anyone I've seen on this site's entire history. Yes, the Declaration... don't be naive; the Declaration... the Constitution, all being convoluted. The govt only does enough to sustain itself these days. My point with looking up our govt should have been more specific: if it doesn't do its job we can overthrow it and create a new one. At this time, such an idea is called treason... funny that we created a law against part of our own Declaration.

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6. Outsourcing of american jobs. Yeah, China gets all the work and america gets screwed.
6: Get over it. The US govt has no control over privately-owned corporations...


But the US government does have control over who gets what tax breaks. And if they are giving bigger tax breaks to companies that outsource their jobs to foreign countries, then I would have to say that the government DOES have control over privately owned corporations. If you owned a major company and had the choice between taking a $1000 tax deduction for ever job you outsourced or only $500 for every job you kept here, which would you do? Sounds to me like our government wants jobs outsourced. (disclaimer - the numbers above are in no way verified for their accuracy. So don't ask me where I got them from)
Good point. I don't see how it relates to my point beyond your disdain for outsourcing, which isn't my problem. But your conclusion is wrong. Privately-owned corps. are just in a good position. Corporations have always been in a strangely good position...

May I declare I am not a nationalist. Nationalism breeds jingoism. I hate jingoism, from experience. See, I'm not a pessimist because pessimism never got me anywhere. So my political platform is based partly on philosophy.

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You have no fucking idea what you are talking about AA... people like you are a disease. The US govt doesn't treat anyone bad, they just don't hold their hand the whole time; the same goes with China's govt, although they have some control over business a few are privatized and working by their own agenda--thus their govt has no part in their injustices directly.


The next time you want to spout off about me being a disease, I think you should check what you are talking about. Our government does treat people badly, and they have passed laws that allow them to do so legally. Don't believe me? Read the Patriot Act. Better yet, read the constitution again, especially the part about how the government and the military have the ability to use privately owned homes during times of need.
The govt is simply ignoring people's needs mainly because of this entropic hierarchy of subsisting and making as much money. Basically, once the roles of govt became too ambitious and detached from the rest of the nation, like a heart pumping outside of the country's body, is when it'll act alien and inefficient.

The stuff about the Patriot Act is paranoia. I'm not a threat to the nation, I do nothing illegal; the part about the military taking over homes is hardly an appropriate point for argument as it seems you are trying to connect the dots from two separate game boards.
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