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Qdeathstar
The following changes are going to be made to the Moderator Complaint/Comment thread.


2. If you have a specific problem, your best bet is the PM a moderator, or if need be, an admin. Psy is a busy man, make sure you spread the wealth.

3. No back and forth Posting. This isnt a chat room. That means, that if you post, and someone responds, then you respond back, then they respond back. If that goes on for more than 3 posts each, your both going to recieve a warning. If it is an ADMIN/MOD doing it with you, they will dealt with based on previous experiences.

4. PM the MOD/admin you have a problem with first. Most likely they can explain to you why action was taken.

In order to assure you, the members, unbias and equal punishment, the moderators will know adhear to the following warning schedule:

We DO what WE want.

5. You are allowed to flame in this topic.



*In extreme cases admin and Full Moderators reserve the right override.*


BE SURE TO READ THIS FIRST POST. You have already been warned, ban's follow fools

_QD & Mello.
Albino
Good. 'Bout time you cleared some of that up.
old/10
The staff has improved A LOT!

I see no more idiotic warnings or post by Pimp ( no that HE has make any warning to me).

I guess he is now acting more normal or taking more respect to other members apart from old members...



Apart from that I think every1 is making good things...

I personally like I/O since he is a mod and a good member. I like the fact QD is a admin (good 4 u!!!). I dun like the fact DarkRuler is a mod again ( maybe you know the reason).

I think in order this mods/admins are doing their work the best...

- Psy
- I/O
- QD
- ElDiablo
- Stan Petrov
- Vendetta
- Xtortion
- Pimp
- DarkRuler


that are the mods and admins I have seen doing their work... I haven't seen anymore mods or admin... frequently...
WITH TEETH
Psy of course is teh shiznit for even wanting to have a fansite for the greatest game on earth, and putting up with all the strange people like ourselves, who frequent the site.

Q is doing a good job and deserved to be made admin. He keeps the other mods and sometimes InternetPhallicProblem in line, as no one else seems to think that is necessary.

Pyro, I/O, and R-I make good convo with the lesser beings, and can still do their jobs without bias.

I can't say I hate InternetPhallicProblem (acronym for ImaPhatPimp in conjunction with e-penis disfunction, if ya haven't figured it out already) but the dude needs to chill on the e-power just a little bit. The world isn't gonna be like this forum when he finally turns 12 and tries to pull that stuff on someone for real. I'm not hating, because he IS developing better habits than the old "warn and ban everything in sight" method.

As for the other mods/admins I missed... I don't see much of the others, so I can't say anything good or bad..

There's my rundown of all the mods/admins I have experienced. Keep up the good work, and Pimp, keep the improvement trend coming. I know you're a good guy, I just like to take stabs at ya here and there.
Zacko
Well I think Pimp has mellowed which is great and EMBO seems to be doing a good job plus some of the other mods are modding good aswell
Mekstizzle
Yeah, moderators and *ahem* Psy's Little Minions...should be anonymous, because they are the ones that mostly deal with Spam, admins should all be visible and online frequently so they can answer any questions that arise and so that there mere presence fears the spammers! haha......no. Iím just saying that admins would be better off un-anonymous and mods should be anonymous.

Another thing:
Its stupid and silly that you have people under a group called ''Psy's little minions'' it just takes the seriousness of things away completely.

Another thing:
Admins should still be called admins and should still be yellow.

Some moderators (the really respected and good ones) should be given a ''Manager'' position (im saying like only 4/5 out of the team will get this) they should have some, but not all of the admin powers (obviously).

The mods that werenít chosen for manager positions should be combined with mini-mods to form a normal moderator position.
It all makes sense.
FuddMan
Personally I think kuwong isn't doing too good. He still acts like a normal member and fails to make me believe that he has some sort of responsibility.

The other little minions are doing great. They seem to have picked up the role of moderator very well, so I gotta say congrats to them smile.gif.

The normal moderators are doing an awesome job (as ever). Although I think they should be less tough on table breaking. Most people don't use 800x600 as their resolution, so if something is 800px wide it shouldn't be automatically turned to a link, since very few people will be affected by it =/.

So..yeah. Most things are fine...for now.
old/10
well I think that if Pimp would chill the fuck off the e-power he would be a nice admin...

I haven't seen him around but well he looks like respecting other mods now. Surprizing isn't it?

buit well he is Pimp so I may have get used to him...

Apart from that the best admin so far I have seen is pyro that is doin an exelent job.

QD is right after him since he is very active and well he just made his big action (moved the what are yoyu listenin topic to asylum).

I/O R/I are doin a good job as a mod but I dun see them very active...

Vendetta and Stan Petrov are good mods and very funny

the mini mods are doin good and well they are newbie mods and I shall see more of them...

that's all

DAMIAN91
QUOTE (SoAP of WhEEze @ Apr 23 2005, 12:12 PM)
I/O R/I are doin a good job as a mod but I dun see them very active...

They come on at night(My timezone)...
jeffro3574
i think they are doin pretty good...they are keeping spam down and setting rules that need to be set...im very happy with the forums so i'll keep coming back....i gotta a question tho and i dont wanna sound stupid so dont flame me for this...is there a difference between mods and mini-mods (or shall i say "Psy's little minions")?...if there is what is it? im just wonderin...
DAMIAN91
QUOTE (jeffro3574 @ Apr 23 2005, 07:36 PM)
i think they are doin pretty good...they are keeping spam down and setting rules that need to be set...im very happy with the forums so i'll keep coming back....i gotta a question tho and i dont wanna sound stupid so dont flame me for this...is there a difference between mods and mini-mods (or shall i say "Psy's little minions")?...if there is what is it? im just wonderin...

They both have the same features as to being a mod. The only thing is that the mini-mods can still get treated as members by the mods/admin...
Qdeathstar
they also cant remove there "edit by" watermark
Smooth101
The staff is doing fine overall. There will be a time or two that I see spam or a bad decision (in my opinion), but thats not too often.

I would like to say that gonetgo has proved he can be moderator material. At first when Pimp modded him, I thought for sure it was a mistake. As time passed, I noticed he didnt abuse his authority, and still abided by the rules. Good job gonetgo.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
I had to delete a few posts because they just said "LOL teh mosd are ding gd!11LOL"
Try to keep the topic for complaints.
DAMIAN91
QUOTE (Smooth101 @ Apr 23 2005, 08:24 PM)
The staff is doing fine overall. There will be a time or two that I see spam or a bad decision (in my opinion), but thats not too often.

I would like to say that gonetgo has proved he can be moderator material. At first when Pimp modded him, I thought for sure it was a mistake. As time passed, I noticed he didnt abuse his authority, and still abided by the rules. Good job gonetgo.

Yea Gonetgo is a good mod. I was a bit skeptical of him at first because of his absences before he came mini-mod but now that I see him on a lot he has really changed my mind about him. It seems people have a problem with Kuwong now, I dont I just want to know why?
Mindfury
QUOTE (DuffMan @ Apr 23 2005, 11:55 PM)
Personally I think kuwong isn't doing too good. He still acts like a normal member and fails to make me believe that he has some sort of responsibility.

The other little minions are doing great. They seem to have picked up the role of moderator very well, so I gotta say congrats to them smile.gif.

The normal moderators are doing an awesome job (as ever). Although I think they should be less tough on table breaking. Most people don't use 800x600 as their resolution, so if something is 800px wide it shouldn't be automatically turned to a link, since very few people will be affected by it =/.

So..yeah. Most things are fine...for now.

sorry duff, but i totally disagree. i think kuwong is doing a great job, mainly because of the reason you stated. he was one of the few mini mods to NOT go on an instant power trip, and instead, took the responsibility calmly, instead of instantly becoming more uptight than an admin. i also think albino and gonetgo are going good too, and are doing the same as kuwong, which is good

but on the flip side of that, someone is doing badly. two names come to mind:

p4yn3: calm the fuck down. just because you posted in some topic, doesn't mean you invincible. if i were doing what you were doing, i would be banned by now for 100% warn. so if you haven't been warned yet, i'm extremely suprised and i would have to say that for the first time, the REAL mods and admins are doing a bad job, just because they haven't made you calm down.

EMBO: i don't have much against you, but just chill a little. your doing good keeping the spammers at bay, but your a little uptight on small things. this is kinda what R-I did when he started too, but he calmed down whitin 2 weeks, and i hope you do too.

normal mods are doing great, well done nic. same for admins, well done Q. mini mods, remember, your not god. most of you were just in the right place at the right time, so don't abuse it, or your luck will run dry.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
I removed ToN as a mod, basically after reading this topic (another full of complaints about him) I decided I'd check if he had modded once since I last checked. He hadn't so a member he is.

I also deleted posts in this topic nicely telling us how good a job we're doing. That's very nice but it wastes the time of a mod/admin reading for complaints.
Kratos
Can someone compare a moderator to a minion?

DAMIAN answered the same question on this very page... - Mello
Qdeathstar
QUOTE
p4yn3: calm the fuck down. just because you posted in some topic, doesn't mean you invincible. if i were doing what you were doing, i would be banned by now for 100% warn. so if you haven't been warned yet, i'm extremely suprised and i would have to say that for the first time, the REAL mods and admins are doing a bad job, just because they haven't made you calm down.


What topics?

Use the PM system, provide links. Deleted the last couple posts - Xtortion
Austin
Well I want to know who adminned that utter retard Qdeathstar..

I was told the only reason the dyslexic fat hobbit was made admin is because he wouldn't stop crying like a baby because mello was given the top spot before him.

Q prances round the forums like he owns the place.

He's an e-Chav.

Chavs are:

Fugly - Check.
Retarded - Check.
Annoying - Check.
Think they own the place - Check.


I can't see pyro adminning him.. cos I know for a fact pyro thinks he's an irritating cunt.. and psy's hardly ever on the forums.. so who was it? mello?
Pyrocy
QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 25 2005, 07:26 AM)
Well I want to know who adminned that utter retard Qdeathstar..

I was told the only reason the dyslexic fat hobbit was made admin is because he wouldn't stop crying like a baby because mello was given the top spot before him.

Q prances round the forums like he owns the place.

He's an e-Chav.

Chavs are:

Fugly - Check.
Retarded - Check.
Annoying - Check.
Think they own the place - Check.


I can't see pyro adminning him.. cos I know for a fact pyro thinks he's an irritating cunt.. and psy's hardly ever on the forums.. so who was it? mello?

Those are not valid reasons unless you think callng someone a hobbit is valid. Please, give us somethig resourceful like links and posts about Q's behavior.

P.S. I didn't admin him, I believe Psy did.
Austin
QUOTE (PyroHazard @ Apr 25 2005, 08:38 AM)
Those are not valid reasons unless you think callng someone a hobbit is valid. Please, give us somethig resourceful like links and posts about Q's behavior.

P.S. I didn't admin him, I believe Psy did.

meh I told you what Q did in the pm's I sent you a week ago.. anyway psy you say? No doubt Q will have sent him countless pm's begging to be admin :/
I/O
Well Austin, I would just have to live with it then. Q is active, and can get the job done, seeing as how some of the other admins are on when hes on. When a member needs to be banned, deleted, etc., and another admin isnt on, then youll have to come crying to him.
Qdeathstar
Austin never sent a complaint to me directly ... perhaps he should have done that first..

And austin, Pyro thinks im an idiot politically.. which is different from a complete idiot >.>

Psy admin'd me, and yup, i did beg him. So, go cry about it >.>

Your mad because I warnt you for posting spam in the political board, then you PM'd saying "I wont rest until your punished for abusing mod powers" However, once you asked Pyro to get on it, pyro looked at it and decided I wasnt abusing my powers.. Sorry your still sour about that. Meh. Not really
That was like april the 14.. grow up m8.. really.
Austin
QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Apr 25 2005, 01:24 PM)
Austin never sent a complaint to me directly ... perhaps he should have done that first..

And austin, Pyro thinks im an idiot politically.. which is different from a complete idiot >.>

Psy admin'd me, and yup, i did beg him. So, go cry about it >.>

Your mad because I warnt you for posting spam in the political board, then you PM'd saying "I wont rest until your punished for abusing mod powers" However, once you asked Pyro to get on it, pyro looked at it and decided I wasnt abusing my powers.. Sorry your still sour about that.  Meh. Not really
That was like april the 14.. grow up m8.. really.

* I told you in my posts not to delete posts for no reason.

* Pyro thinks you are a tard on a power-trip full stop. (I have that on good authority)..

* I didn't spam, that's the whole point. I asked you a question, then you edited my post calling me an idiot and to stop spamming, then you deleted that post. I then posted another post explaining that it was a question, which showed you up, so you deleted it too. Which is power abuse.

You are the village idiot Q. I have quite a few mods on my msn n they all think you are a moron and wouldn't stop crying like a spoilt 6 year old when mello was made admin and you werenít.


then why didnt Pyrohazard take your side? If you where right? >.>
Toge
All mods n admins are good. Just one thing. There's a mod called Ton, he doesn't visit here anymore. Shouldn't he be de-modded?

[EDIT] - Looks like he has been de-modded.

Oh one more thing. Dru doesn't visit so much here anymore. And I don't think that he does any mod jobs.
cuda is your boi
D-r-u was on yesterday...
Mekstizzle
This is ridiculous, i mean its not got nothing to do with me but i think you should change the member group name from ''Psys little minions'' to something more appropriate, i mentioned this before but nobody seemed to care. I mean c'mon, its stupid and retarded and lame, and the mini-mods aint saying shit becuase they dont want to be un-mini-modded/un-psy-minionated or w/e im confused........just change it to something better.
DAMIAN91
QUOTE (Mechanicalistic @ Apr 25 2005, 12:06 PM)
This is ridiculous, i mean its not got nothing to do with me but i think you should change the member group name from ''Psys little minions'' to something more appropriate, i mentioned this before but nobody seemed to care. I mean c'mon, its stupid and retarded and lame, and the mini-mods aint saying shit becuase they dont want to be un-mini-modded/un-psy-minionated or w/e im confused........just change it to something better.

It isnt a big fucking deal >_< just a name....
Mekstizzle
QUOTE (DAMIAN91 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE (Mechanicalistic @ Apr 25 2005, 12:06 PM)
This is ridiculous, i mean its not got nothing to do with me but i think you should change the member group name from ''Psys little minions'' to something more appropriate, i mentioned this before but nobody seemed to care. I mean c'mon, its stupid and retarded and lame, and the mini-mods aint saying shit becuase they dont want to be un-mini-modded/un-psy-minionated or w/e im confused........just change it to something better.

It isnt a big fucking deal >_< just a name....

Stupid though, how will the site be taken seriously of admins are fucking around like this?
Kuwong
QUOTE (Mechanicalistic @ Apr 25 2005, 04:27 PM)
QUOTE (DAMIAN91 @ Apr 25 2005, 05:11 PM)
QUOTE (Mechanicalistic @ Apr 25 2005, 12:06 PM)
This is ridiculous, i mean its not got nothing to do with me but i think you should change the member group name from ''Psys little minions'' to something more appropriate, i mentioned this before but nobody seemed to care. I mean c'mon, its stupid and retarded and lame, and the mini-mods aint saying shit becuase they dont want to be un-mini-modded/un-psy-minionated or w/e im confused........just change it to something better.

It isnt a big fucking deal >_< just a name....

Stupid though, how will the site be taken seriously of admins are fucking around like this?

im not that bothered, its just a title, doesn't affect the way i mod, and i hardly notice, also its just a bit of harmless fun.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
Would a rose by any other name...
Hardcore Ottoman
QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Apr 25 2005, 07:24 AM)
Austin never sent a complaint to me directly ... perhaps he should have done that first..

And austin, Pyro thinks im an idiot politically.. which is different from a complete idiot >.>

Psy admin'd me, and yup, i did beg him. So, go cry about it >.>

Your mad because I warnt you for posting spam in the political board, then you PM'd saying "I wont rest until your punished for abusing mod powers" However, once you asked Pyro to get on it, pyro looked at it and decided I wasnt abusing my powers.. Sorry your still sour about that. Meh. Not really
That was like april the 14.. grow up m8.. really.

Hey Q, do you remember when I made that "red glowish sunset" GTASA logo for you & you thought it was so great that you put it in Austin's signature? I find it ironic he hates you now.

I may be wrong... it may have been Bobcat but do you remember what I'm talking about? Qdeathstar admin was the greatest thing ever to happen to this site, what would be better would be me mod tongue.gif
Zacko
Well I think Q is doing a good job as admin and mostly all the mods are doing a good job, But Psys little minions sounds a bit ghey meh it doesn't affect them doing there jobs though
Qdeathstar
I dont think that most moderators have a problem with me anyway... Pyro fines my convervative views irritating..

And if Austin was right about me abusing powers, and right about Pyro being bias against me??? (which, i dont think, Pyro is fair on the whole) then it only makes logical since that Pyro *being a admin* not a mod as I was, would have over ruled my decision and un-banned Austin...

Austin is upset because he didnt get un-banned when he wanted to. The ban was four hours long, after i gave him 4-5 warnings to stop. I sent him into the corner to grow up a bit before posting, doesnt look like he has. What a miserable person to keep a scorn going after 2 weeks over four hours.

We all know austins reputation as a spammer, and we all know mine. While austin flames and spams a lot, basically being a worthless user, Im alwas there to help you, when you have a question. If you PM about a topic i locked, i usually will unlock it for you, or move it to a place where you can talk about instead. So, even if i too bitch about something that i wanted, that doesnt exclude me from being a good choice, and i think that there arnt too many here that would disagree with Psy's decision, as I have shown myself to be a good admin.

I would asume that Austin is talking about a few mini-moderators.. because I have a good relationship with the other moderators, and have always backed them up when an idiot like austin starts complaining about the job they do.

Ive said enough, now go stand in a corner and whine >.>
Austin
QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Apr 25 2005, 09:12 PM)
I dont think that most moderators have a problem with me anyway... Pyro fines my convervative views irritating..

He finds you irritating, period.
QUOTE
And if Austin was right about me abusing powers, and right about Pyro being bias against me??? (which, i dont think, Pyro is fair on the whole) then it only makes logical since that Pyro *being a admin* not a mod as I was, would have over ruled my decision and un-banned Austin...

No, he told me the punishment was too harsh but didn't overrule you because I was pissing him off or someshit..
QUOTE
Austin is upset because he didnt get un-banned when he wanted to. The ban was four hours long, after i gave him 4-5 warnings to stop. I sent him into the corner to grow up a bit before posting, doesnt look like he has. What a miserable person to keep a scorn going after 2 weeks over four hours.

I'm not upset about anything fatboy. I didn't even mention the incident with you banning me for no reason. You brought it up. I just wanted to know who the fuck adminned a childish moron like you.. youíve been making me cringe long before you banned me.
QUOTE
We all know austins reputation as a spammer, and we all know mine. While austin flames and spams a lot, basically being a worthless user, Im alwas there to help you, when you have a question. If you PM about a topic i locked, i usually will unlock it for you, or move it to a place where you can talk about instead. So, even if i too bitch about something that i wanted, that doesnt exclude me from being a good choice, and i think that there arnt too many here that would disagree with Psy's decision, as I have shown myself to be a good admin.

Don't say 'we', you're speaking for your own speshul self. I don't spam, if you think different go find where I've spammed.. You're the spammer, you spammed my thread in political forum with some completely offtopic boring subject. With all due respect to psy.. I don't think he's on the forums enough to know how much of a tit you are Q, and therefore shouldn't of made you admin.
QUOTE
I would asume that Austin is talking about a few mini-moderators.. because I have a good relationship with the other moderators, and have always backed them up when an idiot like austin starts complaining about the job they do.

Ive said enough, now go stand in a corner and whine >.>

Nah I'm talking about well established proper mods, who are wise enough not to slag you off to your face.
Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester
I disagree with Q's opinions...doesn't mean he should be d'adminned...
Qdeathstar
QUOTE
Nah I'm talking about well established proper mods, who are wise enough not to slag you off to your face.


Right, because i could really do anything to them >.>
Pyrocy
QUOTE
He finds you irritating, period.


I said I find him irritating sometimes. Everyone can be irritated now and then. Let it go.

QUOTE
No, he told me the punishment was too harsh but didn't overrule you because I was pissing him off or someshit..


Wrong, again vato. I had a change of heart AFTER Qboy gave me the sufficent evidence and details. I apologize for misleading you smile.gif

FreemanXtreme
Well, if Mello sort of became admin by ranting, and Q became admin by nagging Psy...maybe I should be the next mod to begin complaining and ranting about how long i've been a member and how the idiocy on these forums is bound to shorten my lifespan by at least 5 years. tongue.gif

Q is doing good as admin, I stay out of the politicle debates 99% of the time so I don't have the political grudge against him others might have.
Hardcore Ottoman
True... there are a lot of people that disagree with his political views; I, am not one of them. Q is also about to win a "Fav Member" contest against Voenix, plz cast your votes.

"niggahplz" - Qdeathstar
psychÝ
p4yn3 is just stupid in everyway shape and form and it has been proven many times
Tootsie_Roll
I second that. He is funny but he acts like he still doesn't have a responsibility...
psychÝ
QUOTE (Loly Pop @ Apr 27 2005, 10:02 PM)
I second that. He is funny but he acts like he still doesn't have a responsibility...

i don't even find him funny i just see him as immature and stupid

but i could see why people might find him funny
Mekstizzle
Im not being sexist here but 'catnip' has got to be the worst ''minion'' of them all.
In terms of actual moddin'G.
psychÝ
QUOTE (Mechanicalistic @ Apr 27 2005, 10:27 PM)
Im not being sexist here but 'catnip' has got to be the worst ''minion'' of them all.
In terms of actual moddin'G.

shit was chosen cause of the time zone shes in so u probbaly wouldn't notice if she did anything

i dunno if she does anyone want to tell us

p4ny3 is still worse
psychÝ
QUOTE (gonetgo @ Apr 27 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (psychÝ @ Apr 27 2005, 03:59 PM)
p4yn3 is just stupid in everyway shape and form and it has been proven many times

Thats not giving a reason why he is a good/bad moderator, don't post shit like that again.

hes immature and just makes every othere mod look bad cause he has the same image as them under his name
no i don't like p4yn3 as hes an idiot and i don't like idiots you got a problem with me not liking him tell him not to be an idiot

the topic

thats just one example he uses insults that an 8 year old would come out with, he makes points that arn't even true, he just an idiot what more can i see if u can't see that then, well it says something about you.
DAMIAN91
QUOTE (psychÝ @ Apr 27 2005, 05:57 PM)
QUOTE (gonetgo @ Apr 27 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (psychÝ @ Apr 27 2005, 03:59 PM)
p4yn3 is just stupid in everyway shape and form and it has been proven many times

Thats not giving a reason why he is a good/bad moderator, don't post shit like that again.

hes immature and just makes every othere mod look bad cause he has the same image as them under his name
no i don't like p4yn3 as hes an idiot and i don't like idiots you got a problem with me not liking him tell him not to be an idiot

the topic

thats just one example he uses insults that an 8 year old would come out with, he makes points that arn't even true, he just an idiot what more can i see if u can't see that then, well it says something about you.

Ok thats enough...

3. No back and forth Posting. This isnt a chat room. That means, that if you post, and someone responds, then you respond back, then they respond back. If that goes on for more than 3 posts each, your both going to recieve a warning. If it is an ADMIN/MOD doing it with you, they will dealt with based on previous experiences.
psychÝ
QUOTE (DAMIAN91 @ Apr 27 2005, 11:04 PM)
QUOTE (psychÝ @ Apr 27 2005, 05:57 PM)
QUOTE (gonetgo @ Apr 27 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (psychÝ @ Apr 27 2005, 03:59 PM)
p4yn3 is just stupid in everyway shape and form and it has been proven many times

Thats not giving a reason why he is a good/bad moderator, don't post shit like that again.

hes immature and just makes every othere mod look bad cause he has the same image as them under his name
no i don't like p4yn3 as hes an idiot and i don't like idiots you got a problem with me not liking him tell him not to be an idiot

the topic

thats just one example he uses insults that an 8 year old would come out with, he makes points that arn't even true, he just an idiot what more can i see if u can't see that then, well it says something about you.

Ok thats enough...

3. No back and forth Posting. This isnt a chat room. That means, that if you post, and someone responds, then you respond back, then they respond back. If that goes on for more than 3 posts each, your both going to recieve a warning. If it is an ADMIN/MOD doing it with you, they will dealt with based on previous experiences.

he said that i shouldn't post cause i didn't give a reason

he is asking for a reason
going to look pretty stupid if i don't give him one to back up my argument
and i still don't get y there isn't a topic for doing this in cause if someone makes one comment and provides 100 pages of eveidence nothings going to happen because its one post and there just ignore it, the only way things happen is if u present your case in stages to people so it makes sense and there is no place to do that on this board, if u make a topic it gets locked and they say thats not whats rants and raves is for, its just ridiculous, what the point in even having this topic if u can't even give a reason for your case. (there isn't one)

its the equivelant of someone asking a question and not being allowed to post an anwser to it whats the point in the question, and if theres no point in the question, whats the point in the topic.
NCP
He was saying you and gonetgo can't argue anymore Psycho...anyway, if you want to take it further PM him!
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