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post Feb 22 2011, 08:46 AM
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Latest news is that Gadaffi has brought in mercenaries to help put down the revolt and some residents claim jets have been bombing civilian protesters - there is no proof of that at the moment, although there is other reports that two of his fighter pilots defected aftere being told to bomb their own people.



If the British or American people revolted like this, how do you think our governments would deal with us?

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post Mar 11 2011, 07:03 PM
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i'm all for the usa policing the world

That's what I usually think, because most parts of the world are not fit to govern themselves, including the EU.

But in this case I've had enough of USA sticking their nose where it does not belong. Europe is also sticking their nose where it does not belong. Let Libya have their civil war. If Gaddafi wins then he deserves to be their chief.


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QUOTE (demon @ Mar 12 2011, 05:03 AM) *
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i'm all for the usa policing the world

most parts of the world are not fit to govern themselves

I think I've heard this somewhere before.

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including the EU

What the fuck? America has no ability to "police" Europe.

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But in this case I've had enough of USA sticking their nose where it does not belong. Europe is also sticking their nose where it does not belong. Let Libya have their civil war.

You aren't very well informed. The transitional council is the legitimate governing body of Libya as far as anyone who isn't an insane dictator is concerned and they requested armed intervention. This is why the UN exists. Further, calling it a "civil war" is inappropriate because the populace isn't divided - almost everyone wants to see Gaddafi go apart from the military who are basically the only people who had it okay under Gaddafi - they're just the ones with all the weapons.

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If Gaddafi wins then he deserves to be their chief

So because Gaddafi is from Libya and can rally the army behind him for their own self interest, he's the legitimate ruler of Libya? What the fuck? He's forcing himself onto the people--they don't want him--how is it any different from an invasion (which you are supposedly opposed to)?


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post Apr 18 2011, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE (Skinny  @ Apr 13 2011, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (demon @ Mar 12 2011, 05:03 AM) *
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i'm all for the usa policing the world

most parts of the world are not fit to govern themselves

I think I've heard this somewhere before.

I think you just proved my statement. But I was actually talking about modern times and not the days of the British Empire.



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What the fuck? America has no ability to "police" Europe.

Sadly that's true. God save us! He is our only hope...



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You aren't very well informed. The transitional council is the legitimate governing body of Libya as far as anyone who isn't an insane dictator is concerned and they requested armed intervention. This is why the UN exists. Further, calling it a "civil war" is inappropriate because the populace isn't divided - almost everyone wants to see Gaddafi go apart from the military who are basically the only people who had it okay under Gaddafi - they're just the ones with all the weapons.

So I'm not well informed just because I don't acknowledge the Libyan opposition as the legitimate governing body? Gaddafi didn't lose an election and he is the legitimate leader until someone defeats him in one way or another. Dictators are often legitimate leaders. An example of a dictator that is not as legitimate, is Lukasjenko in Belarus, he held an election and cheated. If you want to remove dictators, start with the ones that aren't legitimate.

Civilians are fighting, I call that civil war. You have a better word for it?



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So because Gaddafi is from Libya and can rally the army behind him for their own self interest, he's the legitimate ruler of Libya? What the fuck? He's forcing himself onto the people--they don't want him--how is it any different from an invasion (which you are supposedly opposed to)?

Yes Gaddafi is the legitimate leader of Libya. Same as with the rulers of Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, China and many other countries. Some of these was recently overthrown, but they were the legitimate leaders until that point.

You seem to think that the UN is more legitimate than Gaddafi. How can you do that? The UN isn't very democratic and it is forcing themselves upon anyone they see fit. The UN are puppets of the most powerful nations, China one of them. I want to see the day the UN call on military actions or other sanctions against China.


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QUOTE (demon @ Apr 18 2011, 01:03 PM) *
I think you just proved my statement. But I was actually talking about modern times and not the days of the British Empire.

I was pointing out that you have an outdated ideolog... oh nevermind.

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So I'm not well informed just because I don't acknowledge the Libyan opposition as the legitimate governing body?

They aren't the "opposition" because they're the only ones we recognise. Your whole argument boils down to "Gaddafi is already there, and should therefore stay" despite him being a complete lunatic - he's far too crazy for us to accept and the only governing body we recognise wants the UN to help them get rid of a tyrant who coerced his way into power. Gaddafi isn't recognised by the UN or the people of Libya (hence the revolution) and he's killing civilians, our hands are basically tied. You're talking about democracy but he's not holding elections, there's nothing remotely democratic about his regime, so why do you think he is legitimate? If we didn't support the rebels you would probably complain that we aren't promoting democracy or something - some people just like to bitch.


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- Marney1   Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Tunisia, Bahrain...   Feb 22 2011, 08:46 AM
- - Heartless   I'm going to take a stab in the dark that 20-5...   Feb 22 2011, 09:26 AM
- - demon   QUOTE If the British or American people revolted l...   Feb 22 2011, 09:31 AM
|- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE (demon @ Feb 22 2011, 09:31 AM) QUO...   Feb 22 2011, 12:59 PM
|- - Heartless   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 22 2011, 07:59 AM...   Feb 22 2011, 06:14 PM
|- - Meow Zedong   QUOTE (Heartless @ Feb 23 2011, 04:14 AM)...   Feb 22 2011, 08:16 PM
||- - Marney1   QUOTE (Meow Zedong @ Feb 22 2011, 08:16 P...   Feb 22 2011, 09:20 PM
|- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE (Heartless @ Feb 22 2011, 07:14 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 10:37 PM
|- - Marney1   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 22 2011, 10:37 PM...   Feb 23 2011, 12:38 AM
- - Marney1   The Egyptians revolted because they want a western...   Feb 22 2011, 07:25 PM
- - Tranque   All I have to say is after Mubarak it went somethi...   Feb 22 2011, 08:26 PM
- - demon   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 22 2011, 01:59 PM...   Feb 23 2011, 12:14 PM
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|- - Tranque   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 23 2011, 02:01 PM...   Feb 23 2011, 02:34 PM
- - Qdeathstar   no, ofcourse not, i'm sayng that if they elect...   Feb 23 2011, 04:25 PM
- - Tranque   <3   Feb 23 2011, 05:07 PM
- - Adolf Hitler   It makes me laugh that people actually believe thi...   Feb 23 2011, 09:52 PM
- - Qdeathstar   so, who wants to put money on who will die first/ ...   Feb 28 2011, 04:54 AM
- - Heartless   I'm most interested in why so many Americans a...   Feb 28 2011, 05:29 AM
- - Qdeathstar   This is different in about 10000000000000000000000...   Feb 28 2011, 06:36 AM
- - Heartless   1. You have zero proof of that. We know nothing ab...   Feb 28 2011, 06:52 AM
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- - Heartless   Which palace? And hey. The first people in Iraq we...   Feb 28 2011, 05:00 PM
- - -Marney1-   Can't believe anyone could see Bush (Snr. ...   Feb 28 2011, 07:28 PM
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- - Heartless   The employment of poison gas. Ethnic cleansing and...   Feb 28 2011, 09:23 PM
- - -Marney1-   Bombing civilians with phospherus and uranium tipp...   Feb 28 2011, 09:45 PM
- - Qdeathstar   Marney, Wah. Stfu with all the antiamericam rhetor...   Feb 28 2011, 10:00 PM
|- - -Marney1-   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 28 2011, 10:00 PM...   Feb 28 2011, 10:25 PM
|- - LoonaTyk1   QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Feb 28 2011, 04:00 PM...   Mar 11 2011, 10:32 AM
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