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post Jan 13 2011, 04:58 PM
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So, I'm currently writing an essay for the politics module of my degree, and would love some input from you guys.

My question is:

Does religion have a place in an increasingly heated political climate?



Of course, being a die-hard atheist I think it doesn't. But any opinions are welcome.

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post Jan 14 2011, 02:26 PM
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IMO politics is nearly as bad as religion, both preach lies and try to control the populace, but politics does it more overtly and obviously. But both I fear are necessary evils. Whether the two belong together or not is another matter. At least politics tries to maintain the facade of giving the masses a voice.


I wouldn't say religion is a necessary evil. As well as inciting violence on a daily basis, it gives people false hope. There is 0 evidence that a heaven or hell exists. I'll take my chances with a life of excess and heathenism.

QUOTE (Mental Istid @ Jan 13 2011, 08:11 PM) *
QUOTE (EMBO @ Jan 13 2011, 11:58 AM) *
So, I'm currently writing an essay for the politics module of my degree, and would love some input from you guys.

My question is:

Does religion have a place in an increasingly heated political climate?



Of course, being a die-hard atheist I think it doesn't. But any opinions are welcome.


In ancient Scandinavia, people worshipped Thor. Today, he's written off as a simple comic book character. Politics (and science) are new religions, and will some day fade away into myth, story and eventual obsolescence. You can't really mix something that's already the same. Religion and Government both set out with the eventual goal of defining a singular lifestyle we can all agree upon.


I disagree. As with Thor, religions come and go (I believe this is due, in large part, to the impossibility of proving that a God exists). Just as ancient tribes worshipped the sun becuause it was all they knew, today's religions found their foundations out of uncertainty ("why am I here?" "what happens when I die?" etc). Science, I believe, is different. Science is measurable and tangible. If I were to say thar you were actually a blue teapot, science can prove that you're not due to biological make-up etc etc. If I were to say that the Christian God created the world in 7 days and there is a heaven and hell, that can't be proved by religion. However, it can't be disproved by science, but it doesn't need to be. I could go around saying the sky is green and we're all made of toast, but without evidence, my views would be ungrounded.

QUOTE (Tranque @ Jan 13 2011, 10:12 PM) *
I believe the only time religion should enter the political spectrum is when we are protecting the rights of those to express or conduct their religion in safety under the law, or preventing the law from being used in a manner that hurts or helps any religious institution.


True. But religion will always impose into political matters, for better or worse. I agree that religion and politics should be kept as far apart as possible, but there will always be an overlap as long as there are different religions and different political systems at odds with each other. It's a wonderful idea, but unfortunately it will never be.

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QUOTE (EMBO @ Jan 13 2011, 04:58 PM) *
So, I'm currently writing an essay for the politics module of my degree, and would love some input from you guys.

My question is:

Does religion have a place in an increasingly heated political climate?



Of course, being a die-hard atheist I think it doesn't. But any opinions are welcome.


Religion is what drives people, gives them morals, direction, and a since of purpose. For a lot of people the only purpose of "politics" is to expand the dominance of their religious values. Asking whether or not it should is a pointless question. It does and always will as long as the majority of people believe in a religion.

Politicians represent the people (in much of the modern world). If the people are religious, the politicians will be too, and as a result they will be motivated in part by the interpretations of the values of their religions. Should doesn't matter.


The majority of political leaders use the power of religion to strengthen their political agendas ("God Bless America" and "Jihad" being two prime examples). I believe that religion is just another tool in the political arsenal to win public opinion. Tell people that God said to wage war on Switzerland, and if enough people believed it (which, regrettably, many would) then the rest would follow suit. It's deliciously ironic that the Bible features stories of shepherds. In contemporary societies, the shepherds are the politicians furthering their own ends through winning the confidence of the sheep. The most powerful men in the world are religious figures, which I find ludicrous. People are, and always will be, gullible. Religion is the greatest invention ever devised, but more often than not its power is utilised for monetary gain at the expense of others.


Edit: Please don't read into the Welsh guy using sheep in his example ph34r.gif

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