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post Jul 20 2010, 02:50 PM
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Hi there

This doesn't matter where your from, just a question I thought I'd put forward and see the response.

What if Ireland went to the UN? And attempted to get small countries to go along with them to try and place UN sanctions on America or Britain anyone else?

I suppose one needs to have an open mind, without too much bias, or history of the past.

What is the UN for otherwise? A world body that is there to try and place the bad guys together, though in a world where interests are superior to international law, or any other laws internationally, it just doesn't work in reality.


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post Jul 20 2010, 03:16 PM
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post Jul 20 2010, 03:44 PM
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There isn't too much gold there, some natural gas off the North west coast. No military industrial base. No radar, no air defence. No crude oil.


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post Jul 20 2010, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE (GTA_SA @ Jul 20 2010, 04:44 PM) *
There isn't too much gold there, some natural gas off the North west coast. No military industrial base. No radar, no air defence. No crude oil.


what about the guinness?



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post Jul 21 2010, 02:44 AM
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Wouldn't happen. The US & UK are permanent members of the Security Council and have veto power on everything brought up at the UN.

That's why the UN never did anything to the USSR back when it still existed, because it had the same veto power.


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post Jul 21 2010, 12:33 PM
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Well then this is the problem, that special previlage because they are bigger and have a much more powerful status.

Besides the Irish rely on Britain for their trade, the EU. And America invests there too. So economic problems would result in a diplomatic problem with either power in the world.

Ireland was alienated by it's non military position in world war two, after that, even though it did help America with some intelligence gathering, but that was all. But it was understandable.


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post Oct 17 2010, 06:11 AM
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post Oct 18 2010, 12:06 AM
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post Oct 18 2010, 06:17 AM
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Your a tit. Northern Irish don't give a shit about all that anymore. And neither do the Southies. They even did a poll on this. Something like 75% of the NI consider themselves citizens of England.


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post Oct 18 2010, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (NukaLurk @ Oct 18 2010, 05:17 PM) *
Your a tit. Northern Irish don't give a shit about all that anymore. And neither do the Southies. They even did a poll on this. Something like 75% of the NI consider themselves citizens of England.

...what?


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post Oct 18 2010, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (Skinny  @ Oct 18 2010, 06:56 AM) *
QUOTE (NukaLurk @ Oct 18 2010, 05:17 PM) *
Your a tit. Northern Irish don't give a shit about all that anymore. And neither do the Southies. They even did a poll on this. Something like 75% of the NI consider themselves citizens of England.

...what?


OK, OK, OK. The OP is absolutely right. None of you reading this knows anything about this. So here's a picture. I don't know, wikipedia Ireland or something. Shitty food, shitty weather, great beer. A giant rock locals piss on and tourists tongue.



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The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

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post Nov 27 2010, 09:10 AM
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wtf? Why would they consider themselves English? If you meant Britain, then everyone in NI should consider themselves British, since they are apart of Britain.


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post Nov 30 2010, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE (Skinny  @ Nov 27 2010, 04:10 AM) *
wtf? Why would they consider themselves English? If you meant Britain, then everyone in NI should consider themselves British, since they are apart of Britain.


The English, the Irish, and the Welsh laugh at you. FYI - Britain (Great Britain, sure) is what you get when you add Wales, Scotland and England. Northern Ireland is only included under the United Kingdom. Here, I brought visuals:

Easy.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

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post Nov 30 2010, 08:27 AM
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When people say Britain (refering to the country, not the geographical island) it's short for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (ie, the United Kingdom's empire was called the British Empire, and citizens of the UK and it's overseas territories are called British). But this is just semantics and I still don't know what the fuck you were talking about when you said people in NI consider themelves English.

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post Dec 2 2010, 09:57 PM
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It can't happen because for sanctions to be placed on a country the core five (or six now maybe); US, England, Russia, France, Germany have unanamously agree on the sanctions, aka each has the right of veto. US/England won't vote to place sanctons on themselves.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Dec 3 2010, 08:57 AM) *
England

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post Jan 6 2011, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (Skinny @ Dec 4 2010, 05:30 AM) *
QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Dec 3 2010, 08:57 AM) *
England

*UK.


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post Jan 30 2011, 12:27 AM
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There is absolutely nothing they could do in this situation regardless how much support they have to get the U.N to take action against a Security Council member.

The U.N is a giant multinational corporation with the national corporations(United Kingdom Corporation, Canadian Association, United States Company, etc.) being shareholders and thus having delegates that can work democratically to direct how the U.N corporation acts in regards to its corporate policy legislation concerning sanctions, military actions, etc.

All corporations are required under UCC to primarily focus on the interests of their shareholders which is always profit(return on investment, whatever form that may be) and not anyone or anything else, and the U.N is no different.

But the Security Council is basically the Executive Board of the corporation and the members all have majority shares and thus veto powers over the entirety of the United Nations corporate entity, and the United States Company and the United Kingdom Corporation are two of the majority holders with veto powers so the rest of the corporation can not take any kind of legal action against them unless the U.S and U.K themselves allow it to happen.

If you can get the U.S and Britain to go along with sanctioning themselves then I suppose it could be possible, but I highly doubt that will happen any time before hell freezes over.

Everything is a corporation these days, world government is no different - just super-sized compared to national and state or provincial corporations.

You gotta admire the corporatocracy though for its brilliance in establishing a purely right-wing system and moving it further and further to the political right all the while filling the media with reports about how society is moving more to the left and driving up anti-left sentiments to eliminate the last liberal viewpoints in our society simply because the corporate government is getting bigger.

The fact that it is an entirely corporate government structure and that the true left-wing political movement firmly and completely opposes such corporate governing is ignored in favor of the false delusion that left-wing simply means big government.

Size is irrelevant as it is a byproduct of the main ideological views - if you do not want corporations running most things then of course you need more true government to do it, if you do not want government doing it you need private groups or corporations to do it.

Structure is the important thing and despite the delusion perpetrated on our society over the last hundred years or so there is very little if anything even slightly left-wing about it in its current form.

Left-wing may be in favor of big government but it is not supportive of big corporation, it is anti-corporation.

The Statutes that the U.N legislates are not laws which is why nobody has a lawful duty to follow them, they are corporate policy and there are ways to get around them completely lawfully very easily - especially when you helped create that policy. Even if the U.N managed to pass legislation acting against the U.S or U.K corporations actually enforcing it would be a whole other challenge itself.

So yeah the U.N taking any kind of action against two of the top members of its executive board is quite a pipe dream.
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post Feb 2 2011, 04:57 PM
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With that being said, and having brought the money side into it. Well withdrawing from it is the only option. I suppose another dream altogether. evil (15).gif


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