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post Jun 1 2010, 12:29 PM
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http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/...bandage-repeat/

Tell me to fight a war the way you want it.

Do I really need to stress my opinion on this shit.

It has happened to my friend a few times, now.


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post Jun 6 2010, 05:55 PM
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While I appreciate that the opinion of Afghans is important, there is a danger of separating people into two camps: Afghans who are instinctively pro-western and those who are instinctively anti-western. The danger is that by taking the second group and writing them off wholesale, we lose a lot of support.

Maybe Billy sees an invading force and his first instinct is to think they're bad. He'll see them building a bridge and trying to keep open a school, but still his instinct is telling him that they're just doing some stuff grudgingly with an ulterior motive -- and you've got to admit that there's a large minority of western thought that thinks that all this is "too good for them" and so on. It's only by ignoring these ideas and being the best, being so much better than the other side that all instinct, peurile aggression and reactionary tribalism has no chance of reeling in the moderate anti-western types.

Anything can be used by the 5% of anti-western people who are just bastards to influence the naive, the stupid and the vulnerable. It's these people that need to be considered in policy, not the pro-western ones who essentially trust good soldiers anyway.

I also think opinion in the west isn't completely irrelevant: in combatant countries, efforts are being made in protection of the people and paid for by the taxpayer. Their support is in the end important, as it is after all a government enterprise to undertake an offensive war. In non-combatants, it is important to maintain allies, even if some will never be happy and will continue to complain over things that have already been done (France). Even the last superpower (and its little brother!!) can't do everything on their own forever.

That's why we can't just bomb them all and hope for the best. I appreciate that the rules are silly, but they're well-intentioned. It's not my place to say exactly where the line ought to be drawn, but I do think allowances must be made because this war is about the bigger picture: hearts and minds and all that bollocks.


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- Bain   I fucking hate these rules.   Jun 1 2010, 12:29 PM
- - Stoic Person Eater   Let Allah sort them out.   Jun 1 2010, 01:29 PM
- - Spoiler   those bastards are smart. no wonder US still has n...   Jun 1 2010, 02:49 PM
- - El-Nino   they should let the fuckers die, even if they are ...   Jun 1 2010, 03:40 PM
|- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   QUOTE (El-Nino @ Jun 1 2010, 04:40 P...   Jun 1 2010, 03:50 PM
- - NukaLurk   The US is not party to any rules of war. Being sai...   Jun 1 2010, 04:20 PM
|- - TreeFitty   QUOTE (NukaLurk @ Jun 1 2010, 12:20 PM) T...   Jun 1 2010, 07:26 PM
- - ViceMan   Wait, they were transported back to a military hop...   Jun 1 2010, 05:44 PM
- - NCP   The Afghans are often skinny fuckers, so if he is ...   Jun 1 2010, 07:15 PM
- - Spoiler   QUOTE (NukaLurk @ Jun 1 2010, 04:20 PM) T...   Jun 2 2010, 02:06 AM
|- - NukaLurk   QUOTE (Spoiler @ Jun 1 2010, 10:06 PM) QU...   Jun 2 2010, 04:36 AM
- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   QUOTE (Spoiler @ Jun 2 2010, 03:06 AM) QU...   Jun 4 2010, 01:53 AM
|- - Bain   QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Jun...   Jun 5 2010, 04:55 AM
|- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   QUOTE (Bain @ Jun 5 2010, 05:55 AM) QUOTE...   Jun 5 2010, 02:46 PM
|- - Bain   QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Jun...   Jun 5 2010, 11:48 PM
- - demon   QUOTE (Bain @ Jun 1 2010, 02:29 PM) http:...   Jun 4 2010, 06:37 PM
- - Qdeathstar   I think its a good rule. they did forensic analysi...   Jun 4 2010, 10:40 PM
- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   QUOTE (demon @ Jun 4 2010, 07:37 PM) QUOT...   Jun 4 2010, 11:02 PM
|- - demon   QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Jun...   Jun 4 2010, 11:26 PM
- - NukaLurk   Bain, don't be a dick. You don't know what...   Jun 5 2010, 06:43 AM
- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   I'm sorry about the right-wing jibe, but it is...   Jun 6 2010, 02:35 AM
- - Bain   My point was that the tactics that put our troops ...   Jun 6 2010, 03:24 PM
- - Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester   While I appreciate that the opinion of Afghans is ...   Jun 6 2010, 05:55 PM
- - Bain   I can more or less say so-so to what you said so I...   Jun 7 2010, 12:50 AM


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