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post Dec 29 2009, 10:56 AM
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So I was watching this episode of Top Gear and they were mocking people from Cheffield. And it got me thinking, why are there so many different accents on such a small island? Being a predominately British forum, can anyone give me a brief rundown of the major ones? How geographically separated are they?

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post Dec 29 2009, 01:00 PM
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Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.


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post Dec 29 2009, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Dec 29 2009, 10:56 AM) *
So I was watching this episode of Top Gear and they were mocking people from Cheffield. And it got me thinking, why are there so many different accents on such a small island? Being a predominately British forum, can anyone give me a brief rundown of the major ones? How geographically separated are they?


You mean Sheffield. There's quite a lot of local dialects, you have to remember we've been invaded countless times by the Vikings, Normans, Romans, Angles, Saxons and many others. Then there were the indigenous celtic tribes already living here.

Generally I think Cornwall has a pretty standard accent which isn't too noticeable. Then heading up to London you have various dialects, a third of London is made up of the Pakistani, Indian and other communities, so those factor in alot and influence the accents there. In the East-end of London there's a strong accent which I won't refer to as cockney because it's so outdated, but it's like it. The most noticeable trait of this accent is the removal of the 'H' at the beginning of words, with also extends to some words beginning with 'Wh'. We also have this in Essex, being just East of London, and we're regarded as I guess the equivilant of Alabama in America - yokels that nobody can understand, the scum of society, but this mainly refers to the south of Essex (the part i'm from) along the Thames estuary rather than rural Northern Essex. Although I do talk in the usual Essex drawl when i'm with friends I wouldn't say my accent's that bad, I frequently use large long-winded words quite competently. Unfortunately, the common chav is rife here, with wiggers trying to sound like ghetto gangstas, making them barely comprehensible, but it makes them look "cool" and "hard".

I'm not going to go into detail about other accents because it'll be nothing more than a long, uneducated and unverified laugh at their expense, but i'll say this; Liverpool and Manchester have fucking hideous accents. I've never visited anywhere North of Stevenage so I guess in that respect i'm lucky. The Midlands and the North have many different accents, which can vary from town to town.



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post Dec 29 2009, 02:04 PM
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And Bradford was invaded by Pakistan.
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post Dec 29 2009, 11:20 PM
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I find it amazing how scousers can understand each other. I dont have a clue what they are saying. I just nod. I suppose scousers cant understand cockneys though.

While we are on the subject of accents, I would like to say that posh people dont have their own accent. I know plenty of posh people. Ive been up to horse races, none of the people ive spoken to have a posh accent. Some do speak more formal, but they do not put on a voice.


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post Dec 30 2009, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


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Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.

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QUOTE (Captain.Charisma @ Dec 29 2009, 11:20 PM) *
I find it amazing how scousers can understand each other. I dont have a clue what they are saying. I just nod. I suppose scousers cant understand cockneys though.

While we are on the subject of accents, I would like to say that posh people dont have their own accent. I know plenty of posh people. Ive been up to horse races, none of the people ive spoken to have a posh accent. Some do speak more formal, but they do not put on a voice.
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post Dec 30 2009, 01:11 AM
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accents do vary a lot in certain areas though. widnes, where i live, is just outside of liverpool. its about a 10-15 min drive from huyton (where i hail from, yes its a part of liverpool) yet the accent is totally different. the wooleybacks round here (google it if you dont know what they are) generally seem to be amazed by my accent, yet liverpool isnt far away. if i could count the number of times ive been asked to say chicken.


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post Dec 30 2009, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (Destruction-Overdriv @ Dec 30 2009, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


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Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.

No, it's not offensive - when you're out of your own city people will hear your accent and ask "Are you a Geordie" "Are you a Scouser" etc. Everyone knows where the accents come from so if you reply that you're a Scouser then they know you're obviously from Liverpool.

@El-Nino - "Finger lickin' fuckin' chicken!!"

@CC - Scousers can understand everyone but if I was with you and El-Nino and wanted to tell him something I didn't want you to know I could just speed up what I was saying and you wouldn't have an igloo what I'd just said but he would.

Psy might stand a chance though because he's never off the Kop.

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post Dec 31 2009, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (marney1 @ Dec 30 2009, 01:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Destruction-Overdriv @ Dec 30 2009, 12:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Psy @ Dec 29 2009, 08:00 AM) *
Each major town pretty much has it's own accent and dialect, in a similar way to different states in USA.

Mainly London is full of cockneys.
Birmingham has brummies.
Leeds/Yorkshire/Manchester have a retarded sounding lancashire accent.
Liverpool are scousers.
Newcastle are Geordies.

There's loads more but I'm sure there's a website that explains them all with audio examples.

Haa, your a fuckin Geordie!


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Yah, are those things like Geordie, Scouser and Brummie a bad thing to be called? They sound offensive.

No, it's not offensive - when you're out of your own city people will hear your accent and ask "Are you a Geordie" "Are you a Scouser" etc. Everyone knows where the accents come from so if you reply that you're a Scouser then they know you're obviously from Liverpool.

@El-Nino - "Finger lickin' fuckin' chicken!!"

@CC - Scousers can understand everyone but if I was with you and El-Nino and wanted to tell him something I didn't want you to know I could just speed up what I was saying and you wouldn't have an igloo what I'd just said but he would.

Psy might stand a chance though because he's never off the Kop.

True dat. I'm practically an adopted scouser.


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post Dec 31 2009, 09:13 AM
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Im not originally from London- I moved there eariler this year. I always used to go up Stamford Bridge with my family.(Still do) I never really noticed the accent. There is a cockney accent however-its just a bit soft.


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Stop callling it cockney, every time you do that an American envisions Dick Van Dyke. It's just the standard South East London accent.

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QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Stop callling it cockney, every time you do that an American envisions Dick Van Dyke. It's just the standard South East London accent.

It's true!



I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.


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post Dec 31 2009, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Dec 31 2009, 06:03 PM) *
I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.


Well, if you have more space, naturally you're going to spread out and use it. We don't so you don't have to travel far to find different accents. Although I don't know how far i'd have to travel to find a different accent from my house, either to the newsagents down the road, or I could just hop onto the A13 into London. Most of Southern Essex is chav lingo, which is like cockney but gangstafied and bling'd with cygnet rings, classy.


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QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 01:25 PM) *
QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Dec 31 2009, 06:03 PM) *
I will admit I'm surprised by the number of different accents contained on just the island of Great Britain. I know that the US has a lot of different accents too, but not as many in that size space. You have to travel further to get large distinctions in accents.


Well, if you have more space, naturally you're going to spread out and use it. We don't so you don't have to travel far to find different accents. Although I don't know how far i'd have to travel to find a different accent from my house, either to the newsagents down the road, or I could just hop onto the A13 into London. Most of Southern Essex is chav lingo, which is like cockney but gangstafied and bling'd with cygnet rings, classy.

It's not even that really.

Not taking in the US as a whole let's compare North Carolina and England.

Now then: England's total area is 130,395 km2 and as you guys have said the people in London have completely different accents from the people who live in Liverpool. These two cities are (about) 210 miles apart according to Google Maps.

North Carolina's total area is 139,509 km2 and the two biggest cities are Charlotte and Raleigh (located about 151 miles apart). The citizens of these two cities have the same accent.

Even if you factor in Columbia, South Carolina (225 miles south of Raleigh) you have the same basic accent.


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Well, you'll sometimes get Scousers in London (not very often 'cause they're banned from anywhere south of Birmingham.) And sometimes you'll get Mancs in Cornwall (again, not often for the same reason and others.) So it's quite diverse. And native accents have been corrupted somewhat by foreign influences, so you could have a Polish scouser, although i've never heard one.


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America has three primary accents: The Upper North East (owing to Yiddish, German and Ye Olde English), the Deep South Redneck (owing to French, Spanish), and the Dumbshit South West Surfer Dood (owing to years of exposure to head bleach and Chinese food.). Once you get that down, you quickly start to see who sounds similar and why. Take South Carolina and Louisiana. Just about everyone in between speaks the same twangy accent, with only a little difference between.


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On the edge of Liverpool (Huyton) where El-Nino comes from there is a small bridge which crosses over a motorway into a town called Prescot. Once you cross that bridge into Prescot everyone talks with a Lancashire ee by gum accent, there is no fading out of the scouse accent it just stops.
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So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?

"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."


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QUOTE (ViceMan @ Dec 31 2009, 08:57 PM) *
So what, if you cross the bridge your accent miraculously changes?

"Ehy, ehy, caahm down... ...ah'm goin't down pob."

That would be strange.
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