IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages V  « < 2 3 4  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> US Health Care Bill Passes, What Does This Mean For Americans?
Spoiler
post Apr 13 2010, 02:18 PM
Post #61


Numbers Runner
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 264
Joined: 18-November 05
Member No.: 26,196



QUOTE (marney1 @ Apr 12 2010, 04:55 PM) *
You don't need to go to university to have a chance at life, I didn't and I own a (small) plumbing company.

i am still doing a university degree (part time of cause). fact is that whether small or big, i just can't find a way to start a company. i don't know shit about nothing to start any way.

^like Homo said university's not essential but it's useful though.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Marney1
post Apr 13 2010, 04:10 PM
Post #62


Godfather
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 3,416
Joined: 18-February 09
Member No.: 48,547



QUOTE (Spoiler @ Apr 13 2010, 03:18 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Apr 12 2010, 04:55 PM) *
You don't need to go to university to have a chance at life, I didn't and I own a (small) plumbing company.

i am still doing a university degree (part time of cause). fact is that whether small or big, i just can't find a way to start a company. i don't know shit about nothing to start any way.

^like Homo said university's not essential but it's useful though.

I did a 4 and a half year college course and going to university wouldn't have taught me anymore I needed to know. If you want to work for yourself and progress to employing people it helps if you actually know what industry you'd like to work in first. What are you studying?
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
trathen93
post Apr 13 2010, 08:28 PM
Post #63


LFC
***

Group: Members
Posts: 390
Joined: 24-April 08
From: Liverpool, England
Member No.: 39,835
PSN Name: trathen



ok,

1. whats the plumbing company called marney?

2. do you know a millionare called Eric (think thats the right spelling) marney

3. wasnt this topic about a US healthcare bill


--------------------

"You'll Never Walk Alone"

Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 13 2010, 10:41 PM
Post #64


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



My point was about healthcare. The fact universal health care doesn't exist in a SOCIALIST VACUUM is part of this issue.


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Marney1
post Apr 14 2010, 12:36 AM
Post #65


Godfather
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 3,416
Joined: 18-February 09
Member No.: 48,547



QUOTE (El-Nino @ Apr 13 2010, 09:28 PM) *
ok,

1. whats the plumbing company called marney?

2. do you know a millionare called Eric (think thats the right spelling) marney

3. wasnt this topic about a US healthcare bill

1. That would be like putting my name and address on iGTA.
2. I'm not sure, Eric what and from which area? If I do he isn't a friend anyway.
3. Yes.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Spoiler
post Apr 14 2010, 01:32 AM
Post #66


Numbers Runner
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 264
Joined: 18-November 05
Member No.: 26,196



QUOTE (marney1 @ Apr , 05:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Spoiler @ Apr 13 2010, 03:18 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Apr 12 2010, 04:55 PM) *
You don't need to go to university to have a chance at life, I didn't and I own a (small) plumbing company.

i am still doing a university degree (part time of cause). fact is that whether small or big, i just can't find a way to start a company. i don't know shit about nothing to start any way.

^like Homo said university's not essential but it's useful though.

I did a 4 and a half year college course and going to university wouldn't have taught me anymore I needed to know. If you want to work for yourself and progress to employing people it helps if you actually know what industry you'd like to work in first. What are you studying?

Electronics engineering. Like i said where do i start?
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 14 2010, 02:53 AM
Post #67


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



I don't really see the danger in your address being on the Internet...John Munro, 45 Marchmont Crescent, Edinburgh v.gif

ANYWAY, healthcare in the United States anyone?


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Spoiler
post Apr 14 2010, 12:48 PM
Post #68


Numbers Runner
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 264
Joined: 18-November 05
Member No.: 26,196



QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 14 2010, 02:53 AM) *
I don't really see the danger in your address being on the Internet...John Munro, 45 Marchmont Crescent, Edinburgh v.gif

ANYWAY, healthcare in the United States anyone?


i knew the bill is important and left leaning but i don't know the details. everyone has to buy health insurance, yes?

we have similar system here (Singapore) where 20% of total income has to transfer to Central Providence Fund. This is automatically done by the employer so we only take 80% of our pay. on top of that the employer will contribute 13%. From 33% total, 6.5% goes to Medisave. BUT Medisave is not an insurance and it's meant to be used as cash only. so if i am working for 10 years with middle income, i can't afford to pay $10,000 worth of medical bill. so we have to buy another insurance. talk about socialism in democracy... it's never that effective as it's meant to be but still better than nothing.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Heartless
post Apr 16 2010, 03:30 AM
Post #69


The universe goes on forever and we are alone
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 937
Joined: 3-October 04
From: Disney World: Dahmerland!
Member No.: 2,164



QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 13 2010, 10:53 PM) *
I don't really see the danger in your address being on the Internet...John Munro, 45 Marchmont Crescent, Edinburgh v.gif

ANYWAY, healthcare in the United States anyone?


Why should my military benefits bother me? On the contrary - my experience with military health care is exactly why I'm against social medicine. They used a hammer and a pick to take out some bad teeth once, and every pain I had they threw ibuprofen or percocet at. Nevermind that it took a long time to get seen, so it was a fun way to waste the day by going on sick call.


--------------------



QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Die Zeiten haben sich geändert.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 16 2010, 09:05 AM
Post #70


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Apr 16 2010, 04:30 AM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 13 2010, 10:53 PM) *
I don't really see the danger in your address being on the Internet...John Munro, 45 Marchmont Crescent, Edinburgh v.gif

ANYWAY, healthcare in the United States anyone?


Why should my military benefits bother me? On the contrary - my experience with military health care is exactly why I'm against social medicine. They used a hammer and a pick to take out some bad teeth once, and every pain I had they threw ibuprofen or percocet at. Nevermind that it took a long time to get seen, so it was a fun way to waste the day by going on sick call.
That's a funny way to treat a patient. I'd urge you not to take it as typical, I've been on NHS and private wards and they're much of a muchness here. Although I suppose you do get bigger rooms if you pay, which you have every right to do.


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Heartless
post Apr 16 2010, 11:33 AM
Post #71


The universe goes on forever and we are alone
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 937
Joined: 3-October 04
From: Disney World: Dahmerland!
Member No.: 2,164



And that's the thing, we can't compare this to NHS. This is America, and we'll probably base this on whatever fuckery we're already doing.

Fun Fact: We already have free clinics in the inner cities. The doctors are mostly people working for peanuts as they pay off their mountain of medical school debts. It's a deal that our board of health has set up to provide more medical aide to the poor. I remember when I was younger I'd go there instead of telling my parents that I got into another fight at school. It was a fun place to go to see an entire ER waiting room bursting with migrant workers who had table sawed off a thumb or some black kid with a dime sized hole punched through him. Yeah, it sucked. But it was free dammit. And that's all that matters. I think Stalin said, Quantity has it's own quality.


--------------------



QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Die Zeiten haben sich geändert.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 16 2010, 07:29 PM
Post #72


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



It's just an ideological point I'm trying to make, the common "derpaderpderp socialism death panels Stephen Hawking" arguments tend to falter when seen through the prism of the NHS. The differences, like you said, are cultural.


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Heartless
post Apr 16 2010, 08:25 PM
Post #73


The universe goes on forever and we are alone
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 937
Joined: 3-October 04
From: Disney World: Dahmerland!
Member No.: 2,164



But your NHS isn't so hot either. I've heard plenty of complaints - some even on this forum. Most of what I've heard about NHS in practice has been negative; Hawaii tried it and failed. Sweden, the home of free health care, was swamped with so many calls they had to place a limit on three non-essential a year, and encourages people to phone ahead to see if it really matters.

This post has been edited by Rick Astley: Apr 16 2010, 08:26 PM


--------------------



QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Die Zeiten haben sich geändert.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 16 2010, 08:45 PM
Post #74


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



Most of the people who complain about the NHS are either a) idiots (I broke a few bones once and there was a drunk girl in front of me shouting about how her stubbed toe was so damn important) or cool.gif people who would be completely adrift otherwise.

Generally though, it's good. People will complain publically more about things they're given compared to things they pay for anyway; that's no indictment of the healthcare system, rather one of human nature.

And anyway, private healthcare's available.


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Heartless
post Apr 16 2010, 09:32 PM
Post #75


The universe goes on forever and we are alone
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 937
Joined: 3-October 04
From: Disney World: Dahmerland!
Member No.: 2,164



QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 16 2010, 04:45 PM) *
Most of the people who complain about the NHS are either a) idiots (I broke a few bones once and there was a drunk girl in front of me shouting about how her stubbed toe was so damn important) or cool.gif people who would be completely adrift otherwise.

Generally though, it's good. People will complain publicly more about things they're given compared to things they pay for anyway; that's no indictment of the healthcare system, rather one of human nature.

And anyway, private healthcare's available.


I've held down enough years of customer service jobs to know that nobody writes a comment card just to say they had a wonderful service. The problem with a combined health care system that's public and private is that I end up paying for my own medical costs, your broken bones and that drunk bird with the stubbed toe. No thanks! Besides, this is cultural. I'm American dammit! I make my own way in the world, ithout help from others,


--------------------



QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Die Zeiten haben sich geändert.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
demon
post Apr 16 2010, 11:38 PM
Post #76


Capo
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 1,084
Joined: 29-August 08
From: underworld
Member No.: 42,672



QUOTE (OptimumPx @ Nov 8 2009, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE (marney1 @ Nov 8 2009, 01:30 PM) *
QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Nov 8 2009, 06:11 PM) *
Good for those that need it. bad for everyone else who has their own and will end up paying for it.

You sure? I mean have you read the bill right through?

I'm sure no congressmen had the chance to before voting on it.

Health Care Bill PDF

1017 pages? Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick!

Well we needed some kind of reform, after all it was getting ridiculous and the money issue was getting several thousand dollars on the wrong side of uncomfortable.

Did you hear about the family who's son was murdered? The guy was in college but was beaten to death by his room mate. 911 was called and he was rushed to the Emergency Room! But after looking at him for 5 minutes they knew he was lost and he died.

Then the hospital billed his parents $29,186.50 for that 5 minutes. That number isn't an error, that's how much 5 minutes of their time is worth in the Emergency Room of the UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, California.

Five goddamn minutes. That's $5,837.30 a minute.

No wonder medical care is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy...

Healthcare is a fundamental right that should not depend on if you can afford your own insurance or not. I believe this reform is a big step forward.

That example of the hospital billing the parents almost makes me throw up. The current system has failed and it's rotten. Where does all the money go? I think maybe doctors make too much money, or the hospital owners are too greedy. Or both.


"everyone else who has their own and will end up paying for it" - they can discontinue their private insurance and they won't have to pay for both.


--------------------
The new GTA 5 website. GTA 5 forums.
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 31 2010, 06:37 AM) *

That's for you ^
Use it in your sig or avatar because you are very special.

QUOTE (TF)
for being a little bitch
Edited by TF.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Heartless
post Apr 16 2010, 11:46 PM
Post #77


The universe goes on forever and we are alone
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 937
Joined: 3-October 04
From: Disney World: Dahmerland!
Member No.: 2,164



Most of healthcare cost goes to insurance. The system didn't fail until we allowed people to file frivolous malpractice suits.


--------------------



QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

Die Zeiten haben sich geändert.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
demon
post Apr 17 2010, 02:14 AM
Post #78


Capo
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 1,084
Joined: 29-August 08
From: underworld
Member No.: 42,672



QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Apr 16 2010, 06:46 PM) *
Most of healthcare cost goes to insurance. The system didn't fail until we allowed people to file frivolous malpractice suits.

And the insurance companies pays out to the hospitals.

Your system allowing people to file frivolous lawsuits needs a reform. When people can get millions if they win a stupid case then too many are going to try and hit that jackpot. And stupid lawsuits are a waste of resources.

Here, the loosing party in court often have to pay the costs for both parties and for that reason people think twice before they file a lawsuit.



--------------------
The new GTA 5 website. GTA 5 forums.
QUOTE (Marney1 @ Jan 31 2010, 06:37 AM) *

That's for you ^
Use it in your sig or avatar because you are very special.

QUOTE (TF)
for being a little bitch
Edited by TF.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Passionate Homo ...
post Apr 17 2010, 06:53 PM
Post #79


Scam Artist
Group Icon

Group: Gold Member
Posts: 222
Joined: 2-August 04
From: Between the Ritz and the Rubble
Member No.: 15



Generally agreed, Heartless. I wouldn't argue that Americans are very likely to resist nationalised healthcare (not that the system currently being pushed now is any such thing), but in time most will come to see benefits...

demon: Doctors do not get paid well enough. Call it a special interest if you like, but those guys have 8 years of training (in the US), and they have to be selected from the best students around. Applying the same brains, time and effort to any other career path would likely get you a lot more money.

Actually, fuck likely. Medicine is a Hell of a lot more difficult than law or business, it takes longer and runs up more debt. Either of those paths could easily lead you to earn a lot more than a doctor. Egotistical and self-interested yes, but doctors are NOT well paid for the effort they put in. Beaurocracy takes the money.

This post has been edited by Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester: Apr 17 2010, 06:53 PM


--------------------

QUOTE(LMOZ)
drive carfuly,because every secend a shrak can teleport itself to your car, and try to drive your car (if you have one) with shark in it.
Achievements
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

4 Pages V  « < 2 3 4
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 23rd October 2014 - 06:11 AM

GTA 5 | GTA San Andreas | Red Dead Redemption | GTA 4