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post Oct 13 2009, 11:46 PM
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Caused by us or natural progression?

Or total fabrication?

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post Oct 14 2009, 06:09 AM
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Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Next thing they will be telling us that the world wasn't created instantaneously and that fossils aren't tests from god. Horse-hockey!


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post Oct 14 2009, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Although it's true that build up of greenhouse gasses heat up the planet, that's not what the debate is about, and you're making fun of a strawman. But for what it's worth, the general concensus in science isn't alway right, and not all scientists always agree. I could find you a scientist that thinks eating copper wire with your cereal is good for you, and then I could make the same sarcastic comment you just did. So yeah, failed attmept at making yourself look educated. Fucking liberal.

This debate is about whether global warming is caused by us, or natural progression. Not everything is our fault, the planet heats up and cools down all the time. I don't think we can tell right now what the main cause is. Simply looking at a graph and saying "look! temperatures have been going up, and we've been putting out more Co2" is a shitty argument, because it doesn't correlate perfectly (ie, some years the temperature decreases while Co2 output increases). What's more, Co2 doesn't build up overnight, so it's impossible to calculate without longer term studies.


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post Oct 14 2009, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (‹berPimpGendoIkari @ Oct 14 2009, 12:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 05:09 PM) *
Flat out lie, who says the buildup of greenhouse gasses is proven to warm the global temperature of the planet?! Scientists? Well they also disagree with CREATIONISM, and posit the baloney of Evolution.

Although it's true that build up of greenhouse gasses heat up the planet, that's not what the debate is about, and you're making fun of a strawman. But for what it's worth, the general concensus in science isn't alway right, and not all scientists always agree. I could find you a scientist that thinks eating copper wire with your cereal is good for you, and then I could make the same sarcastic comment you just did. So yeah, failed attmept at making yourself look educated. Fucking liberal.

This debate is about whether global warming is caused by us, or natural progression. Not everything is our fault, the planet heats up and cools down all the time. I don't think we can tell right now what the main cause is. Simply looking at a graph and saying "look! temperatures have been going up, and we've been putting out more Co2" is a shitty argument, because it doesn't correlate perfectly (ie, some years the temperature decreases while Co2 output increases). What's more, Co2 doesn't build up overnight, so it's impossible to calculate without longer term studies.


Trying to counter my arguement a mixing valid point (The strength of natural progression) and then republican angst (FUCKIN' LIBERAL) kind of waters down your whole "Take the high road stance".

Secondly, I do believe that the planets temperature fluctuates, but I don't think we need to be fucking with it in ways that are completely unneccessary, IE burning shit in mass amounts that really isn't good for the health or well being of the general populus, and shows minor contribution to global warning. I mean even if its a minor effect its still teasing a pitbull that is pissed and rabid for a number of reasons but on a chain. And believe me I don't want to loosen any chain or even go near the damn thing. Similarly this is why I think we should slow down on the emissions of our heaps of metal and try and get a bit green.

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2 : something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter <consider his skiing a joke ó Harold Callender> óoften used in negative constructions <it is no joke to be lost in the desert>


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post Oct 14 2009, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Tranque @ Oct 14 2009, 11:29 PM) *
Trying to counter my arguement a mixing valid point (The strength of natural progression) and then republican angst (FUCKIN' LIBERAL) kind of waters down your whole "Take the high road stance".

See, this is where you fucked up. I have no intention of taking the high road, when this debate resorts to name calling and funny political cartoons that don't illustrate a point, I'll likely be he one to instigate it. But your joke was condescending, and erroneous (scientists think bla bla bla, they're not a single entity), and although it was a joke, it still shows how you feel, your motivations for feeling that way, and what you think of those who oppose global warming. And I know it's too late, but let's try not to get caught up in semantics.

Oh, and I'm not an angsty republican, quite the contrary.

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Secondly, I do believe that the planets temperature fluctuates, but I don't think we need to be fucking with it in ways that are completely unneccessary

In areas where there are no realistic alternatives (ie, energy), there is no evidence to motivate a drastic change. it's not as simple as "let the greedy oil/mining companies fuck off, and set up green power". In reality, they can't sell off coal mines and oil rigs that no one can use, so there stuck with them until the market makes a natural progression to preferring green energy.


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