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Gun Control Claims More Victims
by Benedict D. LaRosa

Last year, Virginia Tech University successfully lobbied the state legislature to prohibit concealed-permit holders from carrying a sidearm on campus. At the time, university spokesman Larry Hincker commented,

Iím sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assemblyís actions because this will help parents, students, faculty, and visitors feel safe on our campus.
In June of last year, the university reemphasized its ban on carrying guns on campus by students, employees, and visitors. Last spring, it disciplined a student with a concealed-carry permit who brought his handgun to class. On April 16, 2007, 43 students and faculty members paid the price for such shortsightedness when a deranged student killed 33 and wounded the remainder with handguns.

Despite claims to the contrary, this is not the worst school killing in U.S. history. On May 18, 1927, a disgruntled school-board member killed 45 people and injured 58 ó most of them second-grade to sixth-grade children ó when he set off bombs at Bath Consolidated School in Bath, Michigan.

In response to the Virginia Tech incident, gun-control advocates predictably demanded more gun-control laws. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), author of the latest assault-weapon ban making its way through Congress, which is a more draconian version of the Clinton 1994 assault-gun ban that expired in 2004, suggested that we need to talk about guns on campus. For once, I agree with Representative McCarthy.

The gunman, Cho Seung-Hui, a Korean national with permanent resident status, had filled out the required forms and undergone the mandatory background check and waiting period, proving once again the uselessness of such laws.

The problem at Virginia Tech was not that there were guns on campus ó only the campus police and gunman were armed ó but that it was a ďgun-free zone.Ē As a result, there were not enough people carrying guns to neutralize the gunman once he began his rampage. He should have been outgunned after his first shots. To a criminal or deranged person bent on killing, a gun-free zone is a free-fire zone. As is obvious from all such incidents, the police arrive too late to prevent multiple killings.

Thatís not to disparage the police. In most cases, they act aggressively and competently. But they are rarely the first to arrive at the scene of a crime. The first ones there are the perpetrators and their victims. Thatís when self-defense weapons are needed, not after the damage is done.

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In 1974, 34 Israeli students were gunned down in a bus on a school trip. Israel responded by arming teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and others to protect their children. Israel has not had a repeat of that tragedy. The U.S. governmentís response? Prohibit guns within 1,000 feet of schools, as if criminals and deranged people obey laws.

In October 1997, Assistant Principal Joel Myrick used a gun to stop a violent teen who was shooting up his high school in Pearl, Mississippi. The student killed two and wounded seven before Myrick could stop him. Why did it take Myrick so long to disarm the shooter? His gun was in his automobile, which was parked more than 1,000 feet from the school in compliance with the law.

In January 2002, a disgruntled student at the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Virginia, shot and killed the dean, a professor, and a fellow student. He was disarmed and subdued before he could harm anyone else by two students who retrieved guns from their automobiles.
Utah and Oregon allow concealed-permit holders to carry their weapons on campus. To date, no school shooting incidents have occurred in these states.

The most heavily armed populations are the Swiss and the Israelis. Crime is negligible in both countries.

The Luby Cafeteria shootings in Killeen, Texas, on October, 16, 1991, where a gunman killed 23 people, provide a stark example of the danger of gun-control laws. Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who was having lunch with her parents, left her gun in her car in compliance with state law. Her parents were among those killed. Two other diners also left their guns in their cars for fear of violating state law. Hupp had a clear shot at the killer several times as he reloaded and leisurely executed patrons.


Full article here

I never understood how anyone can be pro gun control. It does us no good. Criminals say they are more afraid of a victim being armed than a victim calling the police, so why are guns bad?


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- Skinny.   Gun Control Claims More Victims   Apr 7 2009, 05:14 AM
- - marney1   Gun control does'nt cut gun crime, sounds stup...   Apr 7 2009, 05:25 AM
- - Amarillo Suave   Bad article. Preaches to the choir but still manag...   Apr 7 2009, 01:12 PM
|- - TwoFacedTanner   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ Apr 7 2009, 08:12 ...   Apr 7 2009, 02:12 PM
- - Skinny.   QUOTEmaking no persuasive points, apart from the I...   Apr 7 2009, 01:33 PM
|- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 7 2009, 02:33 PM) 149...   Apr 7 2009, 03:37 PM
- - Skinny.   QUOTEto think of any of those points as even sligh...   Apr 11 2009, 03:21 AM
- - Amarillo Suave   Then again, coming from a country where gun contro...   Apr 11 2009, 01:36 PM
- - Darth Sexy   I really can't be arsed arguing endlessly abou...   Apr 12 2009, 08:06 AM
|- - Baby Fark Marney-zax   QUOTE(Darth Sexy @ Apr 12 2009, 04:06 AM)...   Apr 23 2009, 07:47 PM
- - Mario Juano   I think this has been discussed over before, gun c...   Apr 12 2009, 02:54 PM
|- - Der Metzgermeister   QUOTE(Mario Juano @ Apr 12 2009, 10:54 AM...   Apr 12 2009, 04:15 PM
|- - Jasonhh   QUOTE(Der Metzgermeister @ Apr 12 2009, 12...   Apr 12 2009, 11:26 PM
- - Mario Juano   lol pepper spray and training vs a 9mm. win. If th...   Apr 12 2009, 11:51 PM
|- - Der Metzgermeister   QUOTE(Mario Juano @ Apr 12 2009, 07:51 PM...   Apr 13 2009, 03:01 AM
|- - Mario Juano   QUOTE(Der Metzgermeister @ Apr 13 2009, 05...   Apr 14 2009, 01:08 AM
- - marney1   http://www.congresscheck.com/2009/03/13/ob...an-li...   Apr 13 2009, 02:49 AM
- - Amarillo Suave   I'm not sure that's right.   Apr 13 2009, 10:29 PM
- - marney1   http://www.gunbanobama.com/ Gun Ban On The Way? ...   Apr 16 2009, 04:59 PM
- - Ind•   These sites aren't biased at all.   Apr 16 2009, 07:17 PM
|- - Skinny.   QUOTE(Ind• @ Apr 17 2009, 05:17 AM) 14963...   Apr 21 2009, 11:02 AM
- - Marilyn.Manson   k, I'm new here, so let everyone flame the shi...   Apr 21 2009, 12:26 PM
- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 21 2009, 12:02 PM) 14...   Apr 23 2009, 01:52 AM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ Apr 22 2009, 08:52...   Apr 23 2009, 11:59 AM
- - Skinny.   QUOTEWhen was the last time you saw a kid kill 10 ...   Apr 23 2009, 06:39 AM
- - marney1   xv-2XYOtgCg Guns Don't Kill - Rappers Do ^   Apr 23 2009, 06:53 AM
- - marney1   I still blame rappers.   Apr 23 2009, 04:38 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(marney1 @ Apr 23 2009, 11:38 AM) 14...   Apr 23 2009, 07:39 PM
|- - marney1   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 23 2009, 08:39...   Apr 23 2009, 07:48 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(marney1 @ Apr 23 2009, 02:48 PM) 14...   Apr 24 2009, 11:59 AM
|- - marney1   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 24 2009, 12:59...   Apr 24 2009, 01:58 PM
|- - psychÝ   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 24 2009, 12:59...   Apr 24 2009, 04:29 PM
|- - Skinny.   QUOTE(psychÝ @ Apr 25 2009, 02:29 AM) 149...   Apr 25 2009, 01:42 PM
|- - psychÝ   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 25 2009, 02:42 PM) 14...   Apr 26 2009, 05:57 PM
|- - Skinny.   QUOTE(psychÝ @ Apr 27 2009, 03:57 AM) 149...   Apr 27 2009, 01:11 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 27 2009, 08:11 AM) 14...   Apr 27 2009, 04:09 PM
|- - psychÝ   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 27 2009, 02:11 PM) 14...   Apr 27 2009, 04:54 PM
|- - Skinny.   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 28 2009, 02:09...   Apr 30 2009, 07:09 AM
|- - marney1   QUOTE(Skinny. @ Apr 30 2009, 08:09 AM) 14...   Apr 30 2009, 06:05 PM
- - ViceMan   I hate the way rap music takes the rap (lol) for g...   Apr 23 2009, 08:42 PM
- - Mattay   Aw fuck. This is why I've been an NRA member t...   Apr 24 2009, 01:51 AM
|- - TreeFitty   QUOTE(Mattay @ Apr 23 2009, 09:51 PM) 149...   Apr 24 2009, 02:08 AM
- - marney1   This video dates from before the election of Obam...   Apr 25 2009, 03:16 PM
- - TwoFacedTanner   Weeell, I gotta say Hitler did gun control, and lo...   Apr 26 2009, 07:52 PM
- - new major on the block   Banning guns or ammunition is never gonna solve th...   Apr 26 2009, 08:23 PM
- - marney1   What is your point Marilyn? Are you in favour of ...   Apr 27 2009, 04:19 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(marney1 @ Apr 27 2009, 11:19 AM) 14...   Apr 27 2009, 05:04 PM
|- - marney1   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 27 2009, 06:04...   Apr 27 2009, 05:09 PM
- - Marilyn.Manson   @Marney1: I believe I answered your question. Yo...   Apr 27 2009, 06:59 PM
|- - marney1   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ Apr 27 2009, 07:59...   Apr 27 2009, 07:05 PM
- - Skinny.   QUOTEPlus if you tried a carrying out a mass shoot...   May 1 2009, 05:55 PM
- - Amarillo Suave   I honestly don't believe in gun control. But y...   May 3 2009, 03:00 AM
|- - Skinny.   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 3 2009, 01:00 ...   May 3 2009, 12:34 PM
||- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTEQUOTEDid you just ignore the context surround...   May 3 2009, 04:06 PM
||- - Skinny.   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 4 2009, 02:06 ...   May 3 2009, 05:01 PM
||- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTE(Skinny. @ May 3 2009, 06:01 PM) 150...   May 4 2009, 01:10 AM
||- - Skinny.   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 4 2009, 11:10 ...   May 5 2009, 08:14 AM
|- - TwoFacedTanner   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 2 2009, 10:00 ...   May 4 2009, 01:34 AM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 2 2009, 10:00 ...   May 4 2009, 12:07 PM
- - TwoFacedTanner   Okay, to the both of you, what does that have to d...   May 4 2009, 02:08 AM
|- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTE(TwoFacedTanner @ May 4 2009, 03:08 ...   May 5 2009, 01:35 AM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 4 2009, 08:35 ...   May 5 2009, 01:09 PM
- - Stoic Person Eater   Why do these topics already turn into bitchfests?   May 5 2009, 01:21 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Stoic Person Eater @ May 5 2009, 08...   May 5 2009, 04:56 PM
- - TwoFacedTanner   Cause we're all bitches.   May 5 2009, 02:31 PM
- - Amarillo Suave   QUOTE(Marilyn.Manson @ May 5 2009, 02:09 ...   May 6 2009, 03:04 AM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 5 2009, 10:04 ...   May 6 2009, 12:21 PM
- - Amarillo Suave   It's for you to notice the difference and infe...   May 7 2009, 04:02 PM
|- - Marilyn.Manson   QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ May 7 2009, 11:02 ...   May 11 2009, 01:30 PM
- - Amarillo Suave   Repeat until the same point until I leave for exam...   May 26 2009, 02:13 AM


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