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post Jan 20 2009, 11:14 PM
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Ok... Congratulations to all of you, big libs, blacks and whoever was crazy enough to vote for Obama, or to not vote against him!
Obama is in power now, and scandals already happened, he already said he won't be able to do what he said he would during his campaign... Well, the most liberal president of the history of the United States is sitting in the chair now, I really wish the best for y'all, and I hope I don't feel glad for not living in America anymore (before you bash me, I'm not American, I was just living in the US for studies)...
But Obama might be good, a new Reagan might appear in 2012, and who knows, Obama might not be able to do the stuff he wants to, common sense might come to him and he may actually govern from the center, I hope that happens. I'd feel sorry for all the Americans I know, that are doing good and will have to pay for those that don't move a finger to get a job. Universal Health Care? A reality here, I dare you to find someone that will say something good about it down here in Brazil.
Well... CONGRATULATIONS! YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED! They tried to warn you, but you were way too high on hope and change to listen... By the way, the same people as in the Clinton adminstration is change? I guess you can hope for it... yes you can...

oh... and btw... I only have CNN here, but the Obama inauguration seemed to be on every news channels, I tunned into Limbaugh, and even he was broadcasting it, didn't you get tired of all that show? All day long OBAMA, gez... I can't say the samething about Bush, I was too young and I didn't care about the US, so I never paid attention to it...

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post Jan 21 2009, 02:58 AM
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You clearly didn't do much studying while you were their or you might have slightly more intelligence, America is fuck in many ways not just economically, socially or in international relations.

He won't be able to do everything he wants, no, especially in the current economic climate, I would say that is a pretty good reason why he won't be able to, but if he does any of the things he is claiming which some of will happen then it will make America a better place overall, yes all the selfish bastards who can already afford these luxuries will complain, but to be honest they should just shut up and live with it, if they really don't care about their fellow countrymen can they really claim to be a patriotic American as they so do.


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post Jan 21 2009, 04:11 AM
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Obamarama at the Mr. and Mrs. Person Eater's house.

We have the entire collector set of Obama decorative plates, statuettes, coffee mugs, t-shirts and official Barack Obama "Time for a change" Afro-Sheen.

I keep thinking that in 30 years from now, kids will be taught that Obama was the first "African American" president and there will probably be a damn holiday.
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post Jan 21 2009, 04:24 AM
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So after getting elected he was supposed to flip a switch and everything he said he was going to try to get accomplished was supposed to happen?

Of course he won't get everything done the country is is bad shape and he has to do what he can to turn it around, but that doesn't mean he won't get anything done. He and McCain both said during their debates that because of the economy they would have to cut certain things they had said before and that everything they said would not be able to be accomplished in one term. If someone voted for Obama thinking everything single thing he said he was going to do was going to be accomplished then they're an idiot. And the same goes for anyone that voted for any other canidate thinking the same thing. We know he won't get it all done, but it's what he does get done, and what he's on his way to getting done at the end of four years that matters.


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post Jan 21 2009, 04:44 AM
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I think im going to give him a couple of weeks at least before i start to judge him.

Its a real shame he couldn't get the swearing in bit right though.... and the speech was more of the same. Time to move on from campaign rhetoric, no?


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post Jan 21 2009, 04:53 AM
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To be honest, I'm optimistic. Big party tonight--serving up Obamarettos and Barackoli salad, among other things. It will be a momentous, delicious, pun-filled evening.

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post Jan 21 2009, 07:47 AM
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I'm simply looking forward to the bitter disappointment everyone will feel when Obama fails to "fix" America.


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post Jan 21 2009, 08:26 AM
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He won't be able to do everything he wants, no, especially in the current economic climate, I would say that is a pretty good reason why he won't be able to, but if he does any of the things he is claiming which some of will happen then it will make America a better place overall

This assumes that what he wants to do is good for the country to begin with. A weapons ban? Then all the law abiding citizens hand over their guns, while them murderous thugs hold onto them. Further economic regulation? No Obama supporter has ever been able to show me a part of the economy that requires any further regulation, because there is none. Some say the housing market regulation and regulations to stop big business are necessary, but predator loaning and merger regulations are as strict as they can get; anymore regulation is just kicking shit, not to mention after his hyperbole about creating jobs, he's supporting policies that ship jobs overseas - hooray for the minimum wage and pro big business price fixing! Bailouts? I don't understand why we want to keep these jobs in a recession, there is no demand for them. It sounds harsh, but it's how the market works and it's necessary to stop everyone spending money they don't have; medicine tends to taste bad. On top of all that new stuff, he's going to continue with the same failing policies of his predecessors.

If he wants to help the economy, he should stop printing money and reinstate a gold standard, this would severely reduce inflation, as the value of money would be determined by the value of gold. He should stop price fixing and the minimum wage to help small businesses and to keep jobs from being shifted overseas. A welfare reform may be necessary to lower taxes for working men, and to encourage people in welfare dependent areas to open there own businesses. During the depression, alcohol prohibition being repealed helped the economy as places began paying tax, there was less of a burden on government funds and the taxpayer due to reduced crime and it created legitimate jobs - ending the war on drugs as well as legalizing prostitution and gambling could help there. Farms can also be very helpful to the economy, eliminating farm subsidies could prove helpful. He'll never do any of that though, the big businesses that own the democrats in congress (and probably him, too) won't let him.


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QUOTE(Qdeathstar @ Jan 20 2009, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1479953[/snapback]
I think im going to give him a couple of weeks at least before i start to judge him.

a couple weeks?!?! more like a couple years... we've got a long long road ahead of us as obama would say... and it might take longer than his first term to get some of these situations hammered out...

quite frankly, i don't like the vision he has in store for our future but, the vision is necessary if this country is gonna rebound from state of despair its currently in right now... bush set up the domino's for obama and his "change" is exactly what the government wants... and if the government wants it, it can't be good for the people...

all i know is he was necessary... when our only choices come from only two parties (which is a joke), there's not much to choose from and we're kinda forced to pick the lesser of the two evils...


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post Jan 21 2009, 06:49 PM
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Well he just closed Guantanamo. First day at job and he did something smart. Kewl
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Martin Luther walked so Barack Obama could run
Barack Obama ran so all the children could fly
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post Jan 22 2009, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(Ind• @ Jan 22 2009, 08:04 PM) [snapback]1480240[/snapback]
Rosa Parks sat so Martin Luther could walk
Martin Luther walked so Barack Obama could run
Barack Obama ran so all the children could fly
So ima spread my wings, you can meet me in the sky
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Sorry I jus thought it was sik

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That wasn't originally said by Jay Z...

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A weapons ban? Then all the law abiding citizens hand over their guns, while them murderous thugs hold onto them.
And...you shouldn't have had them in the first place
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Further economic regulation?
Hedge funds...

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Some say the housing market regulation
That is because it does, ever heard of 125% mortgages...

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I don't understand why we want to keep these jobs in a recession, there is no demand for them.
That is because there is a recession, there is no demand for a lot of thing that doesn't mean that people won't want new cars, kitchens, bathrooms ect. at some point.

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If he wants to help the economy, he should stop printing money and reinstate a gold standard
Excellent idea, now no one can trade money with you on the open market and the exchange rate system doesn't work(which you clearly have no concept of), that is the stupidest idea of them all.

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The minimum wage to help small businesses and to keep jobs from being shifted overseas.
Another amazing idea, so when people go to work they don't actually earn enough to own a house/car/food dispite however many hours a week they work, the minimum wage is put in place so your average joe who can be replaced in a heart beat gets paid enough to live rather than just claiming welfare.

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to encourage people in welfare dependent areas to open there own businesses.
Yes, with all the excess capital the banks are willing giving away at a low interest rate...oh no with all their savings they have earn from workign in a state with no minimum wage.

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During the depression, alcohol prohibition being repealed helped the economy as places began paying tax, there was less of a burden on government funds and the taxpayer due to reduced crime and it created legitimate jobs - ending the war on drugs as well as legalizing prostitution and gambling could help there.
Then you can spend all the money on stopping crime, I don't really see a problem with gambling on a small scale, but not in the form of massive super casinos.

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Farms can also be very helpful to the economy, eliminating farm subsidies could prove helpful.
What so the farmers can no longer make enough money to make a living and just give up making A) Even less jobs and cool.gif More dependence on foreign food supplies.

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He'll never do any of that though, the big businesses that own the democrats in congress (and probably him, too) won't let him.
What, you don't even make sense, big business doesn't want the minimum wage, the gold standard or legalisation of prostitution, gambling and drugs.


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post Jan 23 2009, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(Skinny. @ Jan 21 2009, 08:26 AM) [snapback]1479976[/snapback]
This assumes that what he wants to do is good for the country to begin with. A weapons ban? Then all the law abiding citizens hand over their guns, while them murderous thugs hold onto them.


I think, due to a huge blairing problem with the Constitution ( the second amendment) and the fact that Republicans are stauchly against this, and the fact that many Democrats are against the idea too, and the fact that a lot of American Citizens are against a weapns ban, means this will be extremely difficult to get enacted into law.

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Further economic regulation? No Obama supporter has ever been able to show me a part of the economy that requires any further regulation, because there is none.
Thats because you don't understand economics. See below.

The subprime mortgage crisis occured because financial companies OVERSTATED the value of "paper" (which caused artificially inflated profits)...

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If he wants to help the economy, he should stop printing money and reinstate a gold standard, this would severely reduce inflation


Yeah right.

GDP represents how much is "produced", which is determined by how much is bought, and since capital goods bought are investment, if GDP increases, investment is going up and people are holding less money.

When GDP goes down, there is less investment and people hold more money because they believe that their cash will give them a higher rate of return than buying things. For example, if you hold onto 100,000 cash, you'll still have that buying power in the short term, which would yeild a rate of return of zero. On the other hand if you believe that if you chose to invest that money in a house for 1 year, and the value of the house dropped by 10,000 to 90,000 then your rate of return would be -10%.

That encourages you to hold onto your money.

That is the current situation we find ourselves in.

To fix that, increasing the supply money makes that same 100,000 worth less in terms of buying power which results in a lower rate of return on your money. Therefore you'd have less interest in holding onto the money and would instead want to invest in material items.



Lastly, your wrong about inflation. We definately do not need to worry about inflation. Inflation is at around .2 percent.. in a decent economy it should be around 3 or 4%



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I think im going to give him a couple of weeks at least before i start to judge him.

a couple weeks?!?! more like a couple years... we've got a long long road ahead of us as obama would say... and it might take longer than his first term to get some of these situations hammered out...



he doesn't need to get everything fixed, i think we'll know in 2-3 weeks if he is up to the task. If it takes him more than 2-3 weeks to get something started with the economy then he might as well not even bother...



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post Jan 24 2009, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE(neko_ceko @ Jan 22 2009, 05:49 AM) [snapback]1480025[/snapback]
Well he just closed Guantanamo. First day at job and he did something smart. Kewl

Bush also wanted to, but couldn't find anywhere to put the prisoners. I eagerly await Obama's solution.


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QUOTE(neko_ceko @ Jan 21 2009, 10:49 AM) [snapback]1480025[/snapback]
Well he just closed Guantanamo. First day at job and he did something smart. Kewl


He didn't close it. He said he was going to in about a year. And I think he won't do it, what are you going to do with all those terrorists?
You can't take them to your country, not even their country wants them back. They are bad people and there is just no way they are getting better, some were realeased and are back in there again. And how do you explain to the people who lost realtives during the 9/11 that those people will be realeased fom guantanamo, and will have a trial in American soil with lack of evidences, since those weren't collect during the war.

By the way, I didn't think there were so many right wing people here, maybe it's becuase it's the internet, so it easier to say what you realy think, instead of being quite just to not seem weird disagreeing with the other wackos... XD.png


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And...you shouldn't have had them in the first place

Great logic. So if the law abiding citizens don't have their guns, but all the murderous thugs do, then how do we protect ourselves from them? This is what happened in Australia and the rate of homocides with firearms shot up 300 percent in some states.

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Hedge funds...
He wants to do alot more than that. He even said himself "only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy" . LOL. He also promised to double the amount spent on schools, while he forgets about the ten trillion dollar debt.

He's voted with the house democrats most of the time he was in the senate, but lets hope he does whats best for everyone; learns how to say "VETO!"

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That is because there is a recession, there is no demand for a lot of thing that doesn't mean that people won't want new cars, kitchens, bathrooms etc. at some point.

The recession will go on for years; at least that's what people were saying before it happened (well, the non interventionists knew about it anyway, no liberals had a clue). Businesses that fail should fail, that's how things work. Not to mention companies have been producing way more than they should have (the fake economy that even the mega-libs like yourself agree was behind the recession).

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That is because it does, ever heard of 125% mortgages...
I love how people love bringing up problems in the housing market that started with Fannie/Freddy, completely ignoring the fact that they are government sponsored entities. Meaning if the government stayed out of things like they should have, these institutions would have never existed and things would be fine. Imagine that.

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Excellent idea, now no one can trade money with you on the open market and the exchange rate system doesn't work

People can trade on the open market when the money has value, you're going to have to give some elaboration there. And the exchange rate system would still operate, except instead of comparing the dollar to another foreign currency, you compare the value of gold to it. Plus, we would use Ron Paul's plan, which is to have the banks start using a gold standard and keep the federal reserve in operation until it fails to compete with it's unstable, worthless fiat currency.

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Another amazing idea, so when people go to work they don't actually earn enough to own a house/car/food despite however many hours a week they work
Job value is determined by supply and demand, not what the government says (have you ever wondered why we don't all get minimum wage and nothing else), this only makes it impossible for larger firms to hire enough employees, and they end up shipping the jobs overseas, while smaller firms can't afford to compete where they are paying a few employees a large amount, and other firms are paying millions of workers next to nothing.

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Yes, with all the excess capital the banks are willing giving away at a low interest rate...

Actually, gold standards can insure for lower interest rates. Look at what happened with these gold denominated loans:








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oh no with all their savings they have earn from workign in a state with no minimum wage.
Do you know what welfare dependent areas are? They are areas in the middle of no where full of black people who don't' work because they collect welfare; they don't' work because they have no incentive to do so, they think mummy government as their backs. Reform welfare and people will have incentive to do some work and stop living off the taxpayer. They won't be working in a state with no minimum wage, because they aren't working at all, because there are no businesses when everyone is on welfare! Get a clue. They can afford collateral for a loan if they want, they can go fishing/hunting and sell that, but having entire communities with only one or two stores in the whole county is completely unacceptable. Although I suppose you bleeding heart libs will disagree on the grounds that "meh, if they don't want to work and only live off money from me AND the working poor, then let them - here we have freedom in this nation, freedom to other people's money!"

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Then you can spend all the money on stopping crime

This analysis doesn't make much sense. If drugs/prostitution are legal, then there are no prostitute or drug dealers to catch, and there are no mobsters controlling them that we have to spend billion arresting. As it is, we are tying up our judicial system as well as our police force catching non violent offenders such as prostitutes and drug dealers, but if they weren't they could work on catching those who commit violence, fraud or coercion.

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What so the farmers can no longer make enough money to make a living and just give up making
ROFLMAO!!! This is typical or a liberal (or a market socialist, whatever you are) - always only looking at things on their face, with no analysis on what actually happens:

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So if all the subsidies go to people who already make more money than the average farmer, then how are farmers going to go out of business if this is stopped? AND if New Zealand can do BETTER in their farming business after removing the subsidies, then why are farm subsidies necessary?

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big business doesn't want the minimum wage

Of course they do. Small firms can't afford workers, while they can by going overseas. If the minimum wage was removed, we would be able to buy products made locally - big businesses don't want that.

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the gold standard or legalisation of prostitution, gambling and drugs.
Exactly, that was the point I just made thanks for agreeing with me. >>

Good to see your at least well researched... oh wait, no you're not, you just spouted off in theory and opinion, without any real world examples like the ones I provided.

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This assumes that what he wants to do is good for the country to begin with. A weapons ban? Then all the law abiding citizens hand over their guns, while them murderous thugs hold onto them.

I think, due to a huge blairing problem with the Constitution ( the second amendment) and the fact that Republicans are stauchly against this, and the fact that many Democrats are against the idea too, and the fact that a lot of American Citizens are against a weapns ban, means this will be extremely difficult to get enacted into law.

Not a complete weapons ban, but the democrats will come up with something - just like they did last time they controlled the houses. Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban. As for the republicans, they are out of it out the moment, they are quite scarce in positions of power in the federal government... just like the last big weapons ban in america.

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The subprime mortgage crisis occured because financial companies OVERSTATED the value of "paper" (which caused artificially inflated profits)...
Read what I wrote above to psycho. Fannie/Freddy are GOVERNMENT Sponsored Enterprises. That means your mummy government is responsible for their existence. Too bad we don't have laissez faire, then these companies would have never existed. And people have the nerve to claim laissez faire is responsible for the crisis... ROFL!

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On the other hand if you believe that if you chose to invest that money in a house for 1 year, and the value of the house dropped by 10,000 to 90,000 then your rate of return would be -10%.

100 years ago, a $20 gold piece would buy you four loaves of bread. one hundred years ago, a $20 federal reserve note would do the same, but today, the gold piece would still buy you 400 loaves of bread, where as the federal reserve note would only buy you 10. You tell me which is more stable.

The value of gold doesn't change very often, regardless of how much more of it enters the market. Where as with a house, the value constantly changes depending upon variables in the location it's in. So you're way off with that analogy.

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I love when Skinny gets this involved with a topic!
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This assumes that what he wants to do is good for the country to begin with. A weapons ban? Then all the law abiding citizens hand over their guns, while them murderous thugs hold onto them.

I think, due to a huge blairing problem with the Constitution ( the second amendment) and the fact that Republicans are stauchly against this, and the fact that many Democrats are against the idea too, and the fact that a lot of American Citizens are against a weapns ban, means this will be extremely difficult to get enacted into law.

Not a complete weapons ban, but the democrats will come up with something - just like they did last time they controlled the houses. Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban. As for the republicans, they are out of it out the moment, they are quite scarce in positions of power in the federal government... just like the last big weapons ban in america.


Why do you need to own assault weapons for anyway? Aren't hand guns and rifles enough?
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The subprime mortgage crisis occured because financial companies OVERSTATED the value of "paper" (which caused artificially inflated profits)...
Read what I wrote above to psycho. Fannie/Freddy are GOVERNMENT Sponsored Enterprises. That means your mummy government is responsible for their existence. Too bad we don't have laissez faire, then these companies would have never existed. And people have the nerve to claim laissez faire is responsible for the crisis... ROFL!


Who cares and what does that have to do with what i said? Nothing....

Fannie and freedie weren't the only ones, and what i'm talking about in regarding to overstated value of paper has nothing to do with them. Fannie and Freddie gave LOANS based on overstated incomes because the banks selling the mortgage product didn't do their job and make sure that their clients provided proof of income. But, companies like Bear Stearns, Bank of American, Morgan Stanley, ect also all overstated the value of paper.

Also, don't be so stupid. Just because the government sponsors mortgages it doesn't mean they have control over freddie or fanny or are involved in anyway in their operations. Also, how does the fact that Fannie and Freddy are sponsored by the government change anything... Bush has been in office for eight years, and we've seen several disasters, this is just one more?
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On the other hand if you believe that if you chose to invest that money in a house for 1 year, and the value of the house dropped by 10,000 to 90,000 then your rate of return would be -10%.

100 years ago, a $20 gold piece would buy you four loaves of bread. one hundred years ago, a $20 federal reserve note would do the same, but today, the gold piece would still buy you 400 loaves of bread, where as the federal reserve note would only buy you 10. You tell me which is more stable.

The value of gold doesn't change very often, regardless of how much more of it enters the market. Where as with a house, the value constantly changes depending upon variables in the location it's in. So you're way off with that analogy.


Its not an analogy.. and btw, YES YES YES MONEY HAS A LOW RATE OF RETURN! THATS THE HOLE POINT THE FEDERAL RESERVE DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE INVESTING IN RESERVE NOTES! THATS WHAT I SAID. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.

A house historically has always increased in value over the long term. > 10 years. (it has had a greater rate of return that gold, as well.

That's why people don't invest in gold, because it has a low rate of return equal to or just over the rate of inflation, where has a house or the stock market has a rate of return of between 5 and 7 percent over the rate of inflation.


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Rosa Parks sat so Martin Luther could walk
Martin Luther walked so Barack Obama could run
Barack Obama ran so all the children could fly
So ima spread my wings, you can meet me in the sky
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Sorry I jus thought it was sik

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That wasn't originally said by Jay Z...


Who originally said it?


EDIT: Nvm, the original:
"W.E.B. Dubois taught so that Rosa Parks could take a seat. Rosa took a seat so we all could take a stand. We all took a stand so that Martin Luther King Jr. could march. Martin marched so Jesse Jackson could run. Jesse ran so Obama could WIN." - Cleo Fields (former Congressman and State Senator from Louisiana)

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