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post Nov 17 2008, 11:56 AM
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The Adolf Hitler College for Jewish studies.


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post Nov 17 2008, 08:29 PM
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A nice sentiment, but I've never been one for never forgetting. Never forgiving, it seems to me, makes more sense -- we've always remembered and are destined to repeat our mistakes in spite of that, so why continue with such a charade?


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post Nov 17 2008, 10:31 PM
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Why the hell not? It still helps, those mistakes aren't repeated that often.


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post Nov 18 2008, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE(Chris Benoit Stunt Double @ Nov 17 2008, 10:31 PM) [snapback]1471992[/snapback]
Why the hell not? It still helps, those mistakes aren't repeated that often.
They pretty well are. Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it. But to most young people that means similar scenarios are OK; by some token Iraq is unlike imperial or religious wars that preceded it (take your pick, I'm not arguing Iraq itt), different standards are applied to America than to Britain 100 years ago, or Germany 60 (again, draw what you will from that, I'm not arguing how like or unlike America is to or from either, the point is the standards are different). The popular understanding of social and international history is near-useless in policy-making, formation of opinions or prevention of tragedy.


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post Nov 18 2008, 02:13 PM
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Alright, can't argue much about the situation in the US as I haven't studied about it's history or present, as I supposed you had, but at least you can keep the name as a memory of an outstanding warrior, no matter what side he was on, rather than something to keep history from repeating itself.


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post Nov 19 2008, 05:29 AM
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QUOTE(Chris Benoit Stunt Double @ Nov 19 2008, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1472055[/snapback]
Alright, can't argue much about the situation in the US as I haven't studied about it's history or present, as I supposed you had, but at least you can keep the name as a memory of an outstanding warrior, no matter what side he was on, rather than something to keep history from repeating itself.

As I've said before; Hitler and Stalin were both "outstanding warriors". Would you want to dedicate public buildings to them?


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post Nov 19 2008, 05:32 AM
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QUOTE(Chris Benoit Stunt Double @ Nov 19 2008, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1472055[/snapback]
Alright, can't argue much about the situation in the US as I haven't studied about it's history or present, as I supposed you had, but at least you can keep the name as a memory of an outstanding warrior, no matter what side he was on, rather than something to keep history from repeating itself.

As I've said before; Hitler and Stalin were both "outstanding warriors". Would you want to dedicate public buildings to them?


I wouldnt say they were warriors as they never stepped foot on the battlefield in the war they started.
Sure, Hitler fought in WWI, but he was a shitty soldier from what we know.

Where as the officers in the Civil War fought with their men.

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post Nov 19 2008, 05:41 AM
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Alright, can't argue much about the situation in the US as I haven't studied about it's history or present, as I supposed you had, but at least you can keep the name as a memory of an outstanding warrior, no matter what side he was on, rather than something to keep history from repeating itself.

As I've said before; Hitler and Stalin were both "outstanding warriors". Would you want to dedicate public buildings to them?


I wouldnt say they were warriors as they never stepped foot on the battlefield in the war they started.
Sure, Hitler fought in WWI, but he was a shitty soldier from what we know.

Where as the officers in the Civil War fought with their men.

So? He was a good strategist.


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post Nov 19 2008, 06:13 AM
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So?
Now you're changing it from "Outstanding warrior" to "Good strategist."
Sure people loved them some Hitler, and some Stalin.

And sure, NBF probably, erm, most likely terrorized blacks, but comparing him to Hitler and Stalin is wrong. He never murdered million of people like they did.

I just feel changing the name because of modern day political correctness is bullshit.
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post Nov 19 2008, 01:17 PM
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exactly...it's getting all about political correctness, and the minorities are starting to get more power than the majority and everyone is acting like it's alright...
Also, Hitler and Stalin were the ones who brainwashed millions of people into their ideology, and led to war/mass murder. Naming a school after them is completely different than naming a school after a good warrior who fought on the field for what he believed in/was told to fight for.


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post Nov 19 2008, 06:41 PM
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How the fuck do you even know he was a good warrior? Do you even know the slightest detail about him other than that he fought to keep slavery, and was an honourary KKK grand wizard?

His legacy in warfare appears to be, and I quote: "git thar fastest with the most men" and "war means fightin and fightin means killin".

He was hardly "following orders", or even fighting for his beliefs, though he did believe "niggers" ought to be "put back in their place". No, essentially he enlisted to help kill people and protect the massive fortune he had amassed by means of slave trading and gambling.

He was one of the greatest strategists in the American civil war, but he still lost because he overstretched himself, illusions of grandeur and over-belief in his own abilities and destiny the cause.

Hitler and his generals were the greatest strategists in the history of modern warfare. They lost because of over-belief in their own abilities and resulting illusions of grandeur.

Are we to suggest to children that ability supercedes what it's used for? That if you're good enough at something, you needn't control it with responsibility? That using what they've learned to kill and maim is not only excusable, but will lead to them becoming immortalised and praised for all time? That "following orders" is a reasonable excuse!?

Try reading a little before blindly condemning.

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post Nov 19 2008, 07:14 PM
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How the fuck do you even know he was a good warrior? Do you even know the slightest detail about him other than that he fought to keep slavery, and was an honourary KKK grand wizard?

His legacy in warfare appears to be, and I quote: "git thar fastest with the most men" and "war means fightin and fightin means killin".

He was hardly "following orders", or even fighting for his beliefs, though he did believe "niggers" ought to be "put back in their place". No, essentially he enlisted to help kill people and protect the massive fortune he had amassed by means of slave trading and gambling.

He was one of the greatest strategists in the American civil war, but he still lost because he overstretched himself, illusions of grandeur and over-belief in his own abilities and destiny the cause.

Hitler and his generals were the greatest strategists in the history of modern warfare. They lost because of over-belief in their own abilities and resulting illusions of grandeur.

Are we to suggest to children that ability supercedes what it's used for? That if you're good enough at something, you needn't control it with responsibility? That using what they've learned to kill and maim is not only excusable, but will lead to them becoming immortalised and praised for all time? That "following orders" is a reasonable excuse!?

Try reading a little before blindly condemning.


You know what, shit you're right.
I don't live in America, or specifically the south.
And I've never read anything, or was taught anything about him in school.

With that, I'm done with this.
Its obvious we have two different opinions, and I'm going to leave it at that.
You can have the final word if you want, but I'm done.

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post Nov 20 2008, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE(Chris Benoit Stunt Double @ Nov 20 2008, 12:17 AM) [snapback]1472138[/snapback]
exactly...it's getting all about political correctness, and the minorities are starting to get more power than the majority and everyone is acting like it's alright...
Also, Hitler and Stalin were the ones who brainwashed millions of people into their ideology, and led to war/mass murder. Naming a school after them is completely different than naming a school after a good warrior who fought on the field for what he believed in/was told to fight for.

Stalin bravely fought for what he believed was right (communism) as did Bin Laden (defeating the Russians, then for a world without infidels) as did many British military men in the 16-18 hundreds (killing aboriginals and native americans).

It really has fuck all to do with political correctness, or the fact that's it was blacks that he fought to keep as slaves; more the notion that he fought to keep anyone as slaves.


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post Nov 20 2008, 06:13 AM
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QUOTE(TwoFacedTanner @ Nov 19 2008, 07:14 PM) [snapback]1472175[/snapback]
QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ Nov 19 2008, 12:41 PM) [snapback]1472169[/snapback]
How the fuck do you even know he was a good warrior? Do you even know the slightest detail about him other than that he fought to keep slavery, and was an honourary KKK grand wizard?

His legacy in warfare appears to be, and I quote: "git thar fastest with the most men" and "war means fightin and fightin means killin".

He was hardly "following orders", or even fighting for his beliefs, though he did believe "niggers" ought to be "put back in their place". No, essentially he enlisted to help kill people and protect the massive fortune he had amassed by means of slave trading and gambling.

He was one of the greatest strategists in the American civil war, but he still lost because he overstretched himself, illusions of grandeur and over-belief in his own abilities and destiny the cause.

Hitler and his generals were the greatest strategists in the history of modern warfare. They lost because of over-belief in their own abilities and resulting illusions of grandeur.

Are we to suggest to children that ability supercedes what it's used for? That if you're good enough at something, you needn't control it with responsibility? That using what they've learned to kill and maim is not only excusable, but will lead to them becoming immortalised and praised for all time? That "following orders" is a reasonable excuse!?

Try reading a little before blindly condemning.


You know what, shit you're right.
I don't live in America, or specifically the south.
And I've never read anything, or was taught anything about him in school.

With that, I'm done with this.
Its obvious we have two different opinions, and I'm going to leave it at that.
You can have the final word if you want, but I'm done.
Shit you're right never mind my facts you're from the south.


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^ Also noting that he never posted any facts to show the KKK founders "heroic escepades".


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post Nov 21 2008, 08:43 AM
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This is outrageous! A building named after a person?! The horror...the inhumanity! Everyone run for the hills!


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A similar reaction to murder:

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I kinda laughed about the reactions of this schools action, but I also wouldn't change the name. Just because I am against namechanging and especially buildings. The founders of this school adored this Forrest guy and therefor it should keep the name. The fact that more than half the school is black makes it even better. That just shows that the status that those Confederates had, is now nothing more than a memory. Sure some people think he was a hero or something and there are some people that disagree with that, but is that really the point of discussion here? Maybe the school's name is known around a large area and if they use a new name, they need to do a lot of promotion to get known like they now do. This also could be the reason.
And ofcourse Forrest fought himself and Hitler and Stalin didn't, Forrest agreed a field with the North and there they'd fight, to lead his men, he must be there himself or else he couldn't do shit. Hitler and Stalin lead their men on a much larger scale, a new era and modern weapons. They had their officers to lead on the field and Hitler and Stalin saw everything much bigger.

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post Nov 22 2008, 03:12 PM
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exactly...it's getting all about political correctness, and the minorities are starting to get more power than the majority and everyone is acting like it's alright...
Also, Hitler and Stalin were the ones who brainwashed millions of people into their ideology, and led to war/mass murder. Naming a school after them is completely different than naming a school after a good warrior who fought on the field for what he believed in/was told to fight for.

Stalin bravely fought for what he believed was right (communism) as did Bin Laden (defeating the Russians, then for a world without infidels) as did many British military men in the 16-18 hundreds (killing aboriginals and native americans).

It really has fuck all to do with political correctness, or the fact that's it was blacks that he fought to keep as slaves; more the notion that he fought to keep anyone as slaves.


Stalin fought for his beliefs just like Bush fought in Iraq. Either of them took any part in any actual battle except for throwing orders. It was all up to the troops and commanders to fight on the field and risk their lives for what their leader believed in. Forrest was one of those people ON THE FIELD, making the strategies and leading his men to battle, while Stalin and whatever other examples you give, sat on their asses far away from the front, waiting for the results of those battles.


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Does this mean I have to admire Custer? Fuck no. The man was an idiot, that is why he charged ahead of his own men.


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