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No opt-out of filtered Internet
Policy to be set after trial
Darren Pauli 13/10/2008 15:10:00

Australians will be unable to opt-out of the government's pending Internet content filtering scheme, and will instead be placed on a watered-down blacklist, experts say.

Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material.

Pundits say consumers have been lulled into believing the opt-out proviso would remove content filtering altogether.

The government will iron-out policy and implementation of the Internet content filtering software following an upcoming trial of the technology, according to the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

A spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the filters will be mandatory for all Australians.

“Labor’s plan for cyber-safety will require ISPs to offer a clean feed Internet service to all homes, schools and public Internet points accessible by children,” Marshall said.

“The upcoming field pilot of ISP filtering technology will look at various aspects of filtering, including effectiveness, ease of circumvention, the impact on internet access speeds and cost.”

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) contacted by Computerworld say blanket content filtering will cripple Internet speeds because the technology is not up to scratch.

Online libertarians claim the blacklists could be expanded to censor material such as euthanasia, drugs and protest.

Internode network engineer Mark Newton said many users falsely believe the opt-out proviso will remove content filtering.

“Users can opt-out of the 'additional material' blacklist (referred to in a department press release, which is a list of things unsuitable for children, but there is no opt-out for 'illegal content'”, Newton said.

“That is the way the testing was formulated, the way the upcoming live trials will run, and the way the policy is framed; to believe otherwise is to believe that a government department would go to the lengths of declaring that some kind of Internet content is illegal, then allow an opt-out.

“Illegal is illegal and if there is infrastructure in place to block it, then it will be required to be blocked — end of story.”

Newton said advisers to Minister Conroy have told ISPs that Internet content filtering will be mandatory for all users.

The government reported it does not expected to prescribe which filtering technologies ISPs can use, and will only set blacklists of filtered content, supplied by the Australia Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).

EFA chair Dale Clapperton said in a previous article that Internet content filtering could lead to censorship of drugs, political dissident and other legal freedoms.

“Once the public has allowed the system to be established, it is much easier to block other material,” Clapperton said.

According to preliminary trials, the best Internet content filters would incorrectly block about 10,000 Web pages from one million.


http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1399635276

Excuse me if i get a bit ranty. You can understand why.

Wow. A world without hardcore porn, free music, and no access to DIY bombs. If this comes to pass (which is unlikely, considering every single Aussie ISP will kick up a stink), I'm moving to New Zealand, or better still, Canada. Why should anyone have to opt out of kiddy safe internet access? It's up to parents to decide what their kids see, not the government.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't this plan originally meant to be opt in child safety software? At what point did it change to this arcane monstrosity of an idea? Australia takes another step towards becoming the new China. All thanks to Kevin "My white devil surname is Rudd" Wong.

Ha, and the left thought John Howard was conservative. At least we didn't lose any freedoms in the 11 years he was in. In less than a year, Rudd has brought in Alcopop taxes and this shit. All while spending more time overseas speaking Mandarin to anyone who gives a rat's arse about the stupid cunt.


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post Oct 21 2008, 01:23 PM
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Wow.

I can't believe this will even come to pass.

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post Oct 30 2008, 11:54 AM
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Australia's Internet filter: could legal content be banned, too?
By Nate Anderson | Published: October 28, 2008 - 05:15AM CT

Liberal democracies aren't generally pleased with massive state-run mandatory Internet filtering schemes, but Australia's government is plowing ahead with just such a project. Stoking fears that such a scheme could easily blacklist legal content from all Australians, one national politician has now called for precisely that sort of a blacklist. Under the "Family First" party's scheme, hardcore sex and drug content would be added to the list of "illegal" content, even though they are actually legal for adults to view offline.

Family First isn't a major party—it has only one federal member of Parliament—but it does command more regional support. While massive federal government intervention in the Internet might not seem to be an especially conservative principle, Family First argues that the porn problem has reached epidemic levels, that parental responsibility simply isn't workable, and that kids are stumbling over damaging material both purposefully and by accident. Government needs to act.

The party's federal legislator, Steve Fielding, is opposed to both a "fart tax" (PDF) and to an unfettered Internet. The party "will work to achieve Government commitment to establish a Mandatory Filtering Scheme at the ISP Server Level in this country," says the official party plank (PDF). The government agrees, and it has been pursuing a two-tiered scheme. The first tier would be a "clean feed" that filters porn and "illegal content," and it would be optional. The second tier would filter only "illegal content" and would be mandatory for all Australians.


But what would be included in "illegal content"? The government isn't saying yet, but Family First has its own ideas. The Sydney Morning Herald asked Fielding what he envisions for the mandatory feed.

"Family First would consider a mandatory ISP-based filtering system that protects children by blocking illegal content like child pornography, but allows adults to opt out of filtering to access material classified R18+ or less," said the party.

The statement indicates that any material rated above R 18+ (including X 18+ and "refused classification") would fall under the mandatory blacklist and could not be accessed through any Australian ISP. Such material is currently legal for Australian adults.

The free speech concerns of a politicized blacklist that includes legal material are profound, and they are stressed by groups like the "No Clean Feed" campaign. But there are technical concerns as well.

The System Administrators' Guild of Australia, SAGE-AU, issued a statement again stressing its opposition to Internet filtering on grounds that it simply wouldn't work. "SAGE-AU remains concerned that the filters tested are unable to provide an effective, reliable filtering solution with the performance required for modern broadband connections," she said. "The filters tested have demonstrated an excessively high exclusion rate of legitimate Internet content."

The government's own testing has shown that the filters still have serious problems with false positives and can degrade network performance from 20-75 percent. If Australian Internet users aren't thrilled about the metered 'Net connections that are common in the country, we can only imagine how much they will enjoy metered connections that run 20-75 percent slower and censor the Internet.


Bolded is what i'm worried about. Arsehat religious folk and their influence. X rated porn is sold legally in Canberra, and is not illegal to possess in any state, so why the hell would they want to block all access to it?

Labor apparently only wants to ban sites with content that is illegal, which i have no problem with, although illegal porn is mostly distributed via P2P, so the government will only be successful in frustrating horny blokes and slowing down the internet.

Speaking of the internet, degraded network performance doesn't quite sound like faster internet for all "working families", does it K-Rudd?

Anyway, to make this more simple. As far as i know, the following is proposed under the scheme
Content bound for complete blockage (even if you opt out of the child safety filter)
Child Porn
Pro euthanasia websites (possibly)
Terrorist material
Sites containing excessive violence
Sites containing info on bomb making etc
Beastiality
Sites containing info on how to make drugs
Pro anorexia sites (possibly)
Violent porn
Porn? (labor has been very secretive about what types of porn will be blocked)

Content blocked by child safety filter
All off the above, obviously
Sites containing nudity (if the filter is as dodgy as it seems, this will also include breast cancer websites that have any pictures including breasts)/ soft porn (to what degree, i don't know. Being 'child friendly', they'll probably even block women in bikinis)
Sites containing excess violence (may even include any sites linked to MA and R rated movies and games. Which means possibly even the GTAIV website. And youtube)
Sites containg drug use
Sites containg offensive material (racist websites, anything that discriminates against a certain group)

Labor has not yet informed the public how exactly we will be able to opt out of the child safety filter. I'm sure it will be a long process that makes you feel like a sicko who won't think of the children.

Something else i found interesting whilst reading various papers at work was what the general public thinks about this. An online survey of 2000 people found that 86 percent of people were against the filter, while in the personal views sections, all males were against the filter, whereas every female asked thought it was a good idea, and that our kids need protection from 'predators in chat rooms', as one woman said. Of course, chat rooms won't actually be blocked by the filter. Just another reason why women should be permanently chained to the kitchen table.

What will be targeted after this? Will we see a ban on all metal and rap containing offensive material? A ban on all games that aren't rated PG? Who the fuck knows with these bunch of cunts. Seriously, somebody here name one decent thing that labor has done since gaining power last year.

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QUOTE(Handsome B. Wonderful @ Oct 30 2008, 11:54 AM) [snapback]1470246[/snapback]
Anyway, to make this more simple. As far as i know, the following is proposed under the scheme
Content bound for complete blockage (even if you opt out of the child safety filter)
Child Porn
Pro euthanasia websites (possibly)
Terrorist material
Sites containing excessive violence
Sites containing info on bomb making etc
Beastiality
Sites containing info on how to make drugs
Pro anorexia sites (possibly)
Violent porn
Porn? (labor has been very secretive about what types of porn will be blocked)
!!!

Oh my God. I can barely believe I'm reading this. I won't insult anyone here by pointing out how ridiculously totalitarian this is.


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QUOTE(Handsome B. Wonderful @ Oct 20 2008, 10:23 AM) [snapback]1469189[/snapback]
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No opt-out of filtered Internet
Policy to be set after trial
Darren Pauli 13/10/2008 15:10:00

Australians will be unable to opt-out of the government's pending Internet content filtering scheme, and will instead be placed on a watered-down blacklist, experts say.

Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material.

Pundits say consumers have been lulled into believing the opt-out proviso would remove content filtering altogether.

The government will iron-out policy and implementation of the Internet content filtering software following an upcoming trial of the technology, according to the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

A spokesman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the filters will be mandatory for all Australians.

“Labor’s plan for cyber-safety will require ISPs to offer a clean feed Internet service to all homes, schools and public Internet points accessible by children,” Marshall said.

“The upcoming field pilot of ISP filtering technology will look at various aspects of filtering, including effectiveness, ease of circumvention, the impact on internet access speeds and cost.”

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) contacted by Computerworld say blanket content filtering will cripple Internet speeds because the technology is not up to scratch.

Online libertarians claim the blacklists could be expanded to censor material such as euthanasia, drugs and protest.

Internode network engineer Mark Newton said many users falsely believe the opt-out proviso will remove content filtering.

“Users can opt-out of the 'additional material' blacklist (referred to in a department press release, which is a list of things unsuitable for children, but there is no opt-out for 'illegal content'”, Newton said.

“That is the way the testing was formulated, the way the upcoming live trials will run, and the way the policy is framed; to believe otherwise is to believe that a government department would go to the lengths of declaring that some kind of Internet content is illegal, then allow an opt-out.

“Illegal is illegal and if there is infrastructure in place to block it, then it will be required to be blocked — end of story.”

Newton said advisers to Minister Conroy have told ISPs that Internet content filtering will be mandatory for all users.

The government reported it does not expected to prescribe which filtering technologies ISPs can use, and will only set blacklists of filtered content, supplied by the Australia Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).

EFA chair Dale Clapperton said in a previous article that Internet content filtering could lead to censorship of drugs, political dissident and other legal freedoms.

“Once the public has allowed the system to be established, it is much easier to block other material,” Clapperton said.

According to preliminary trials, the best Internet content filters would incorrectly block about 10,000 Web pages from one million.


http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1399635276

Excuse me if i get a bit ranty. You can understand why.

Wow. A world without hardcore porn, free music, and no access to DIY bombs. If this comes to pass (which is unlikely, considering every single Aussie ISP will kick up a stink), I'm moving to New Zealand, or better still, Canada. Why should anyone have to opt out of kiddy safe internet access? It's up to parents to decide what their kids see, not the government.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't this plan originally meant to be opt in child safety software? At what point did it change to this arcane monstrosity of an idea? Australia takes another step towards becoming the new China. All thanks to Kevin "My white devil surname is Rudd" Wong.

Ha, and the left thought John Howard was conservative. At least we didn't lose any freedoms in the 11 years he was in. In less than a year, Rudd has brought in Alcopop taxes and this shit. All while spending more time overseas speaking Mandarin to anyone who gives a rat's arse about the stupid cunt.


I think that the world as a whole is becoming increasingly conservative regarding personal privacy and freedoms. The Patriot Act, "Protest" Zones, and indeed some ISP filtering of the internet are becoming common place in America as well, and i'm sure in other places around the globe. China, who has made great strides in improving the economic freedoms of its state, has'nt made any movements towards expanding personal freedoms, and there's no hint that they plan to do this any time soon. In Russia, the KGB have taken over the government and it's essentially reverted to the old soviet empire....

It's actually a bit scary when you consider the sums of the direction the world is headed toward.




On the other hand, you can probably find a proxy to obtain unrestricted access, like they do in China.


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Australia is a smaller and a more organised state, it would be easier to catch law breakers, surely?


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Violent porn blocking aside, what will the government deem inappropriate? Will the Liberal Party site be blocked? Will forums discussing alternate forms of government be blocked? Will information about nuclear power stations be blocked? Why do we need Rudd to protect us? Although he may think he's a god, he's announcing retarded policy after retarded policy, without delivering on the things he promised during the election.

HBW: Well, one thing Labor has done is made people miss Howard. That's a good start. Also, I voted for Howard. Now all those ignorant twats may see why.


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You're hoping the other party will make things shit to justify your own party's bullshit, don't do that.

Howard didn't do anything this insane, but he was still a coalition-joining, Murdoch-pandering, Bush-apoligising nationalist.


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QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ Nov 9 2008, 04:49 AM) [snapback]1471053[/snapback]
You're hoping the other party will make things shit to justify your own party's bullshit, don't do that.

Howard didn't do anything this insane, but he was still a coalition-joining, Murdoch-pandering, Bush-apoligising nationalist.

And he will go down in history as one of the best Prime Ministers this country has ever had.


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QUOTE(Amarillo Suave @ Nov 9 2008, 04:49 AM) [snapback]1471053[/snapback]
You're hoping the other party will make things shit to justify your own party's bullshit, don't do that.

Howard didn't do anything this insane, but he was still a coalition-joining, Murdoch-pandering, Bush-apoligising nationalist.

And he will go down in history as one of the best Prime Ministers this country has ever had.

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