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post Dec 23 2005, 04:26 PM
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CICEK: “CIA HEAD’S VISIT IS A NATURAL OUTCOME OF DEVELOPMENTS”

There are important developments and movements in the region, so Turkey’s exchange of information with the CIA comes from this and is normal, said government spokesman Cemil Cicek on Monday about CIA Director Porter Goss’ recent visit to Turkey, adding that Turkey has expectations from US about the terrorist PKK. Speaking after a Cabinet meeting, Cicek said that Goss’ visit had not been discussed by the government ministers. Cicek indicated that intelligence organizations from other countries meet from time to time, adding, “This wasn’t the first time a CIA director has visited Turkey.” Cicek stated, “At many meetings that I took part in, especially on the fight against terrorism, the issue that many countries emphasize is that sharing intelligence on terrorist groups is the first step. This issue has priority. Therefore, Turkey shares information on intelligence with the US as well as other countries. This is natural.” /Cumhuriyet/

CIA’S GOSS REPORTEDLY WARNED ANKARA OF IRANIAN THREAT

During his recent visit to Ankara, CIA Director Porter Goss reportedly brought three dossiers on Iran to Ankara. Goss is said to have asked for Turkey’s support for Washington’s policy against Iran’s nuclear activities, charging that Tehran had supported terrorism and taken part in activities against Turkey. Goss also asked Ankara to be ready for a possible US air operation against Iran and Syria. Goss, who came to Ankara just after FBI Director Robert Mueller’s visit, brought up Iran’s alleged attempts to develop nuclear weapons. It was said that Goss first told Ankara that Iran has nuclear weapons and this situation was creating a huge threat for both Turkey and other states in the region. Diplomatic sources say that Washington wants Turkey to coordinate with its Iran policies. The second dossier is about Iran’s stance on terrorism. The CIA argued that Iran was supporting terrorism, the PKK and al-Qaeda. The third had to do with Iran’s alleged stance against Ankara. Goss said that Tehran sees Turkey as an enemy and would try to “export its regime.” /Cumhuriyet/

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The Anti-Syria Scam
by Paul Craig Roberts



Someone should tell Condi Rice that the game is up. With the Bush administration dissolving in illegalities committed by key officials in their attempts to protect the lies that they used to justify the US invasion of Iraq, the secretary of state is trying to ramp up war against Syria.

Grasping a UN report that uses unreliable witnesses to implicate Syria in the assassination of a former Lebanese government official, Condi Rice told the BBC on October 23 that Syria’s crime cannot be "left lying on the table. This really has to be dealt with."

This is amazing for many reasons. Here is the person in charge of US diplomacy acting as if she is the secretary of war unsheathing military force. Whoever heard of an American diplomat wanting to start a war because a former Middle Eastern government official was assassinated?

The UN investigator, Detlev Mehlis, has no more idea who assassinated the former official than the US knows who is responsible for assassinating the many Iraqi officials under its protection. After more than two and one-half years of war in Iraq, the US still doesn’t know exactly who the enemy is that it is fighting. Yet Mehlis blames Syria for an assassination on the strength of an informer described by the German news magazine, Der Spiegal, as a convicted felon and swindler.

On the basis of the word of a convicted felon and swindler, Condi Rice wants a high-level UN Security Council meeting to condemn Syria so the Bush administration can bring about "regime change" in Syria.

With the US department of state doing everything it can to demonize and destabilize Syria, Condi Rice’s mouthpiece, Adam Ereli, declared that Syria must end attempts to destabilize its neighbors. This is the type of propaganda we were fed about Iraq. Syria is not destabilizing any country. It is all Syria can do to maintain its own stability. The US is the great Middle Eastern destabilizer.

Isn’t the secretary of state aware that the government of which she is a part is in dire difficulties because it went to war based on highly unreliable "intelligence" supplied by highly unreliable people?

Does the secretary of state read the CIA reports? Doesn’t she know that the US has created extraordinary instability in Iraq? A country that formerly had no terrorists now serves as a training ground for al Qaeda, according to the CIA.

Is this the time to repeat the Iraq blunder in Syria?

The American people should be terrified by the warmongering ideologues that President Bush has put in charge of his government. The greatest danger that the US faces are the fools in the Bush administration.

Why is Syria being demonized? Syrian troops were part of the US coalition organized by President George Herbert Walker Bush that liberated Kuwait in 1991 from Saddam Hussein. The current head of government in Syria is a mild mannered ophthalmologist who inherited the post five years ago when his older brother was killed in a car crash.

Syria has done nothing to the US and poses no threat to the US. The Syrian government is concerned about Syria becoming unhinged by schisms like the Sunni-Shi’ite schism set loose in Iraq by the incompetent Bush administration.

Why does Condi Rice think the Bush administration has the right to decide who heads the Syrian government? According to news reports, the Bush administration has asked the Israeli and Italian governments to nominate a replacement for the current president of Syria.

A country incapable of choosing a better president than George W. Bush has no business choosing a president for any other country. In place of aggressive interference in the internal affairs of other countries, the US needs to find a competent president for itself.

Maybe we should ask the Italians who they would recommend.

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Rafik Hariri is the new Franz Ferdinand >_>

America is the new Germany. The Middle East is the new Entente. I could go on, but I've probably lost 98% of the Americans already.


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I think Syria might even have an airforce.
You get the point =/
[Edit] XD the Syrian Air Force is called "Al Quwwat al-Jawwiya al Arabiya as-Souriya". I want to see Bush try to get his tongue round that...

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Combined army sizes of Iraq and Afghanistan(Pre-invasion): 150,000
Combined army sizes of Iran and Syria (2005): 859,000

Combined military spending of Iraq and Afghanistan(Pre-invasion): $1.4billion
Combined military spending of Iran and Syria (2005): $5.3Billion

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who cares if they have an air force? our f-22s are finally operational happy.gif
our army is decemated tho...theyd have to reinstate the draft for sure


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Their (the Syrians') airforce has Sukhoi-27 Flanker jets, which aren't completely useless next to F-22s. Plus, one F-22 costs SO much money to replace, hundreds of millions of dollars. Plus the enormous friendly fire roll2.gif


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As far as Iran is concerned, Israel will deal with them:

Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, Washington
ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.

The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations.

Iran’s stand-off with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over nuclear inspections and aggressive rhetoric from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, who said last week that Israel should be moved to Europe, are causing mounting concern.

The crisis is set to come to a head in early March, when Mohamed El-Baradei, the head of the IAEA, will present his next report on Iran. El-Baradei, who received the Nobel peace prize yesterday, warned that the world was “losing patience” with Iran.

A senior White House source said the threat of a nuclear Iran was moving to the top of the international agenda and the issue now was: “What next?” That question would have to be answered in the next few months, he said.

Defence sources in Israel believe the end of March to be the “point of no return” after which Iran will have the technical expertise to enrich uranium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear warhead in two to four years.

“Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran,” Sharon warned recently. “We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation.”

The order to prepare for a possible attack went through the Israeli defence ministry to the chief of staff. Sources inside special forces command confirmed that “G” readiness — the highest stage — for an operation was announced last week.

Gholamreza Aghazadeah, head of the Atomic Organisation of Iran, warned yesterday that his country would produce nuclear fuel. “There is no doubt that we have to carry out uranium enrichment,” he said.

He promised it would not be done during forthcoming talks with European negotiators. But although Iran insists it wants only nuclear energy, Israeli intelligence has concluded it is deceiving the world and has no intention of giving up what it believes is its right to develop nuclear weapons.

A “massive” Israeli intelligence operation has been underway since Iran was designated the “top priority for 2005”, according to security sources.

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

Since Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, “it has been understood that the lesson is, don’t have one site, have 50 sites”, a White House source said.

If a military operation is approved, Israel will use air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran’s nuclear programme for years, according to Israeli military sources.

It is believed Israel would call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 — the equivalent of the SAS — and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refuelling.

“If we opt for the military strike,” said a source, “it must be not less than 100% successful. It will resemble the destruction of the Egyptian air force in three hours in June 1967.”

Aharon Zeevi Farkash, the Israeli military intelligence chief, stepped up the pressure on Iran this month when he warned Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, that “if by the end of March the international community is unable to refer the Iranian issue to the United Nations security council, then we can say the international effort has run its course”.

The March deadline set for military readiness also stems from fears that Iran is improving its own intelligence-gathering capability. In October it launched its first satellite, the Sinah-1, which was carried by a Russian space launcher.

“The Iranians’ space programme is a matter of deep concern to us,” said an Israeli defence source. “If and when we launch an attack on several Iranian targets, the last thing we need is Iranian early warning received by satellite.”

Russia last week signed an estimated $1 billion contract — its largest since 2000 — to sell Iran advanced Tor-M1 systems capable of destroying guided missiles and laser-guided bombs from aircraft.

“Once the Iranians get the Tor-M1, it will make our life much more difficult,” said an Israeli air force source. “The installation of this system can be relatively quick and we can’t waste time on this one.”

The date set for possible Israeli strikes on Iran also coincides with Israel’s general election on March 28, prompting speculation that Sharon may be sabre-rattling for votes.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the frontrunner to lead Likud into the elections, said that if Sharon did not act against Iran, “then when I form the new Israeli government, we’ll do what we did in the past against Saddam’s reactor, which gave us 20 years of tranquillity”.

TEHRAN MINISTER MET MILITANTS BEFORE NEW OFFENSIVE

Iran’s foreign minister met leading figures from three Islamic militant groups to co-ordinate a united front against Israel days before a recent escalation of attacks against Israeli targets shattered fragile ceasefires with Lebanon and the Palestinians, writes Hugh Macleod in Damascus.

The minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, held talks with leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah in Damascus on November 15.

Among those who attended the meeting were Khaled Meshaal, the Hamas leader, and a deputy leader of Islamic Jihad, which claimed responsibility for last Monday’s suicide bombing of a shopping mall in Netanya that killed five Israeli citizens.

Ahmed Jibril, leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine- General Command, was also present. “We all confirmed that what is going on in occupied Palestine is organically connected to what is going on in Iraq, Syria, Iran and Lebanon,” said Jibril.

Seven days after the talks, Hezbollah fired a volley of rockets and mortars at Israeli targets, sparking the fiercest fighting between the two sides since Israel’s withdrawal from south Lebanon five years ago.

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I wish Israel attacks Iran instead of just sicking their puppets (U.S., U.K.) on their enemies all the time. Iran aren't pussies though, they will strike Israel back, which will lead the U.S. to get involved. If Israel doesn't have the balls to strike Iran, then the U.S. will start it first as usual.


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I wish (if there is a war there) that Israel would just fight it on their own. They're completely capable - a superior airforce, good special forces, a fairly sized budget supplemented by US tech, a large army, 10 Megaton nuclear bombs...


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Im a political n00b. So you guys reckon any country would ally with Iran/Syria?

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1) Wikipedia on Israel's combat history against Arab states.
2) Iran has NO NUKES.

@Mech: Read the other topic about Russia >_>


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QUOTE(Fido 14 @ Dec 23 2005, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1038500[/snapback]

I wish Israel attacks Iran instead of just sicking their puppets (U.S., U.K.) on their enemies all the time. Iran aren't pussies though, they will strike Israel back, which will lead the U.S. to get involved. If Israel doesn't have the balls to strike Iran, then the U.S. will start it first as usual.

what the fuck?
israel has balls, just look at all the past wars with arab countries, theyve kicked they shot out of their opponent every time...see: 6 day war..theyve blown up secret facilities before, theres no doubt in my mind theyll do it again...i like israel cuz they arent pussies, when they say theyre gonna fuck you up, theyll actually back it up


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QUOTE(AVaholic @ Dec 25 2005, 06:33 AM) [snapback]1039889[/snapback]

QUOTE(Fido 14 @ Dec 23 2005, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1038500[/snapback]

I wish Israel attacks Iran instead of just sicking their puppets (U.S., U.K.) on their enemies all the time. Iran aren't pussies though, they will strike Israel back, which will lead the U.S. to get involved. If Israel doesn't have the balls to strike Iran, then the U.S. will start it first as usual.

what the fuck?
israel has balls, just look at all the past wars with arab countries, theyve kicked they shot out of their opponent every time...see: 6 day war..theyve blown up secret facilities before, theres no doubt in my mind theyll do it again...i like israel cuz they arent pussies, when they say theyre gonna fuck you up, theyll actually back it up


Ain't that the truth brother. 50 millon Arabs against 5 million jews too.
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This will be an ugly far that I'm looking forward too.

Unfortunatley nothing can happen until Iran makes the first move, just like chess oh and lets not forget the billions of dollars Iran is paying in bribes to Russia,China and the EU-3 itself!.

Oh well, Even though Iran or any other Mid-Eastern country having Nuclear Bombs is like giving a C4 and a detonator to a monkey.

Iran isn't going anywhere, and thats for sure, if it drops 5 Shahab-3's on Isreal 10 Arrow Bassed Missles will fall on Iran, If It drops 1 Nuclear Bomb on Israel 2 Nuclear Bombs will be dropped on Iran.

It's as simple as that..


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Just on a side not here, Iranians aren't arabs..

Their Origins are Zoroastarian and Aryan.

The current government although are not Aryans nor Zoroastarian at all.

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QUOTE(mello_yello @ Dec 23 2005, 01:47 PM) [snapback]1037894[/snapback]

Rafik Hariri is the new Franz Ferdinand >_>

America is the new Germany. The Middle East is the new Entente. I could go on, but I've probably lost 98% of the Americans already.

Well, just by looking at who was voted president, you are probably right, although I am a happy 2%-er happy.gif...

I am against Israel in this one, and although it would be better for everyone if this war didn't happen, I am waiting in anticipation...


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QUOTE(AlwaysBetOnBlack™ @ Jan 1 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1047737[/snapback]

This will be an ugly far that I'm looking forward too.

Unfortunatley nothing can happen until Iran makes the first move, just like chess oh and lets not forget the billions of dollars Iran is paying in bribes to Russia,China and the EU-3 itself!.

Oh well, Even though Iran or any other Mid-Eastern country having Nuclear Bombs is like giving a C4 and a detonator to a monkey.

Iran isn't going anywhere, and thats for sure, if it drops 5 Shahab-3's on Isreal 10 Arrow Bassed Missles will fall on Iran, If It drops 1 Nuclear Bomb on Israel 2 Nuclear Bombs will be dropped on Iran.

It's as simple as that..
Bollocks. Iran doesn't have even 1bn to spare. You can't just come in here and make claims that everyone is being corrupt and unfair to America, without even the slightest hint to a reference. Russia and China, I'll admit to knowing very little about their transactions with Iran, but to say France and Germany are receiving bribes? It's ridiculous. Not only is the Iranian president adamant to seer ties with the west, it's ludicrous to say that Iran (PPP 0.5trn) is bribing the EU (PPP 11.7trn) monetarily. These are just self-righteous, right-on American glistening LIES.

And Iran doesn't have nukes. That's a fact. They're not even allowed a peaceful nuclear reactor (for the manufacture of energy...), becuase Condi is scared, evidentally. And giving nukes to M-E countries is a bad thing? The US was fine with Israel's procurements...


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QUOTE(mello_yello @ Jan 2 2006, 03:26 AM) [snapback]1049104[/snapback]

QUOTE(AlwaysBetOnBlack™ @ Jan 1 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1047737[/snapback]

This will be an ugly far that I'm looking forward too.

Unfortunatley nothing can happen until Iran makes the first move, just like chess oh and lets not forget the billions of dollars Iran is paying in bribes to Russia,China and the EU-3 itself!.

Oh well, Even though Iran or any other Mid-Eastern country having Nuclear Bombs is like giving a C4 and a detonator to a monkey.

Iran isn't going anywhere, and thats for sure, if it drops 5 Shahab-3's on Isreal 10 Arrow Bassed Missles will fall on Iran, If It drops 1 Nuclear Bomb on Israel 2 Nuclear Bombs will be dropped on Iran.

It's as simple as that..
Bollocks. Iran doesn't have even 1bn to spare. You can't just come in here and make claims that everyone is being corrupt and unfair to America, without even the slightest hint to a reference. Russia and China, I'll admit to knowing very little about their transactions with Iran, but to say France and Germany are receiving bribes? It's ridiculous. Not only is the Iranian president adamant to seer ties with the west, it's ludicrous to say that Iran (PPP 0.5trn) is bribing the EU (PPP 11.7trn) monetarily. These are just self-righteous, right-on American glistening LIES.

And Iran doesn't have nukes. That's a fact. They're not even allowed a peaceful nuclear reactor (for the manufacture of energy...), becuase Condi is scared, evidentally. And giving nukes to M-E countries is a bad thing? The US was fine with Israel's procurements...



Bribes do not necessarily have to be Monetary, Iran has OIL amongst other useful natural resources, It's been selling em off since 1950 to support its country why does that make it any different now?

What do you mean Iran doesn't have 1bn to spare? Where do you get your figures? Iran recently bought 1.3Bn dollars worth of Weaponry from Russia. It has far more money than you could imagine.

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QUOTE(AlwaysBetOnBlack™ @ Jan 2 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1049432[/snapback]

QUOTE(mello_yello @ Jan 2 2006, 03:26 AM) [snapback]1049104[/snapback]

QUOTE(AlwaysBetOnBlack™ @ Jan 1 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1047737[/snapback]

This will be an ugly far that I'm looking forward too.

Unfortunatley nothing can happen until Iran makes the first move, just like chess oh and lets not forget the billions of dollars Iran is paying in bribes to Russia,China and the EU-3 itself!.

Oh well, Even though Iran or any other Mid-Eastern country having Nuclear Bombs is like giving a C4 and a detonator to a monkey.

Iran isn't going anywhere, and thats for sure, if it drops 5 Shahab-3's on Isreal 10 Arrow Bassed Missles will fall on Iran, If It drops 1 Nuclear Bomb on Israel 2 Nuclear Bombs will be dropped on Iran.

It's as simple as that..
Bollocks. Iran doesn't have even 1bn to spare. You can't just come in here and make claims that everyone is being corrupt and unfair to America, without even the slightest hint to a reference. Russia and China, I'll admit to knowing very little about their transactions with Iran, but to say France and Germany are receiving bribes? It's ridiculous. Not only is the Iranian president adamant to seer ties with the west, it's ludicrous to say that Iran (PPP 0.5trn) is bribing the EU (PPP 11.7trn) monetarily. These are just self-righteous, right-on American glistening LIES.

And Iran doesn't have nukes. That's a fact. They're not even allowed a peaceful nuclear reactor (for the manufacture of energy...), becuase Condi is scared, evidentally. And giving nukes to M-E countries is a bad thing? The US was fine with Israel's procurements...



Bribes do not necessarily have to be Monetary, Iran has OIL amongst other useful natural resources, It's been selling em off since 1950 to support its country why does that make it any different now?

What do you mean Iran doesn't have 1bn to spare? Where do you get your figures? Iran recently bought 1.3Bn dollars worth of Weaponry from Russia. It has far more money than you could imagine.
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Dollars? Aren't they money? Giving oil in return for cash isn't bribery, it's trade. You say they sell oil to support the country, is that not perfectly fair? It's not a bribe, it's not corrupt, and no one is scamming the US as you made out in your previous post.

Iran as a country is worth 500bn. Buying weapons isn't done with money to spare, it's done with the military budget. They spend 4.3bn on defence, Xbn on healthcare, Xbn on transport etc. at the end of the year they have 0 spare, because, they are not a particularaly rich country.

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Also related to "The War on Muslims Terror", does anyone remember Bush's original comment about the invasion of Iraq? He stated that the coalition Air force(s) would be using a Shock and Awe bombing strategy. Essentially this means bombing everything (ie, suburbs and mosques) as well as military targets. When I last checked, when Muslims did this it was called Terror. The aim of shock and awe is to change the enemies opinions by overwhelming displays of power, and to disrupt or end civilian lives. Sounds a lot like 9/11 and 7/7 to me. It's even compared to dropping nuclear bombs on population centres, a la Hiroshima. How the Hell do they get away with this? It's as bad as fucking Dresden.


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This will be an ugly far that I'm looking forward too.

Unfortunatley nothing can happen until Iran makes the first move, just like chess oh and lets not forget the billions of dollars Iran is paying in bribes to Russia,China and the EU-3 itself!.

Oh well, Even though Iran or any other Mid-Eastern country having Nuclear Bombs is like giving a C4 and a detonator to a monkey.

Iran isn't going anywhere, and thats for sure, if it drops 5 Shahab-3's on Isreal 10 Arrow Bassed Missles will fall on Iran, If It drops 1 Nuclear Bomb on Israel 2 Nuclear Bombs will be dropped on Iran.

It's as simple as that..
Bollocks. Iran doesn't have even 1bn to spare. You can't just come in here and make claims that everyone is being corrupt and unfair to America, without even the slightest hint to a reference. Russia and China, I'll admit to knowing very little about their transactions with Iran, but to say France and Germany are receiving bribes? It's ridiculous. Not only is the Iranian president adamant to seer ties with the west, it's ludicrous to say that Iran (PPP 0.5trn) is bribing the EU (PPP 11.7trn) monetarily. These are just self-righteous, right-on American glistening LIES.

And Iran doesn't have nukes. That's a fact. They're not even allowed a peaceful nuclear reactor (for the manufacture of energy...), becuase Condi is scared, evidentally. And giving nukes to M-E countries is a bad thing? The US was fine with Israel's procurements...



Bribes do not necessarily have to be Monetary, Iran has OIL amongst other useful natural resources, It's been selling em off since 1950 to support its country why does that make it any different now?

What do you mean Iran doesn't have 1bn to spare? Where do you get your figures? Iran recently bought 1.3Bn dollars worth of Weaponry from Russia. It has far more money than you could imagine.
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Dollars? Aren't they money? Giving oil in return for cash isn't bribery, it's trade. You say they sell oil to support the country, is that not perfectly fair? It's not a bribe, it's not corrupt, and no one is scamming the US as you made out in your previous post.

Iran as a country is worth 500bn. Buying weapons isn't done with money to spare, it's done with the military budget. They spend 4.3bn on defence, Xbn on healthcare, Xbn on transport etc. at the end of the year they have 0 spare, because, they are not a particularaly rich country.

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Also related to "The War on Muslims Terror", does anyone remember Bush's original comment about the invasion of Iraq? He stated that the coalition Air force(s) would be using a Shock and Awe bombing strategy. Essentially this means bombing everything (ie, suburbs and mosques) as well as military targets. When I last checked, when Muslims did this it was called Terror. The aim of shock and awe is to change the enemies opinions by overwhelming displays of power, and to disrupt or end civilian lives. Sounds a lot like 9/11 and 7/7 to me. It's even compared to dropping nuclear bombs on population centres, a la Hiroshima. How the Hell do they get away with this? It's as bad as fucking Dresden.



With all due, respect I'd like to see some legit links providing those figures, I'm 26 man, I've had a couple of persian friends before during college, Iran became corrupt after the 1979 revolution. The current government/president would torture or even shoot a person like you or me because we don't fit their "Islamic Values". So to say that Iran is a perfectley acceptable country with a legit and respectable president/government would be very wrong. The election polls were corrupt, Mr.Ahmadinejad wasn't even supposed to win the election.. Cleric Rafsanjahni was, as he had said that he would see to a better relation with the west so people voted for him as a favorite. The presidential polls were a good example of corruption in that country...


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