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post Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
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Anyone who reads this topic I highly suggest to download and watch this video. It will change everything you thought about 9/11. The video is about an hour long but it gos into great detail about 9/11. Take my word on it its a great video. Not like good like funny but very seriouse and almost scary.

It's kinda hard to descrip so just watch it for your self.

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post Dec 3 2005, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, 02:05 AM) [snapback]1015949[/snapback]

I don't know what to think. I can't see the U.S. government coming together and planning this whole thing just to find an excuse for a war or two. But I think these conspiracy theorists are just too eager to blame some discrepancies on the government.

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I said similiar, not exact copy of the building.

Besides, watch the video. They mention I think 5 other example, without the Madrid fire included. Goes to show no one actually watched the video.

I watched the video and most of the stuff they said was all crap. When they talked about the plane that hit the grass in PA i have to admit i dont have any idea how i can go against that, but everything about the twin towers i can say is BS.

Lets see.. where should i start, their was so much useless crap in that movie i cant remember it all..

1.) They showed frames of the airplane hitting the 2nd tower. They said their was a flash before it hit the tower. It was to blurry to make anythin of it. But i did notice that 1/4 of the airplane was inside the building when their was a flash.

2.) They said that people reported hereing explosions in the building after the planes hit. Its a 110 story skyscraper.. every floor is connected to each other physically, electronically (wires going up and down the whole building) and elevators going up and down the whole building. Their could have been hundreds if not thousands of reasons why their was extra explosions. The witnesses said they HEARD an explosion, not actually see one.

3.) When the towers calapsed, the idiot that was narrating the video said their were explosions in the floors beneath the floors that were calapsing BEFORE it hit the floor that exploded. THAT WAS NOT AN EXPLOSION THAT WAS DUST BEING BLOWN OUT OF THE FRIGGIN WINDOWS FROM THE PRESSURE IN THE BUILDING. I guess its pretty easy to mistake it for an explosion if u have a mind of a mentally handicapped person.

4.) The guy was saying how people are stupid for thinking the buildings calapsed because of a fire. A fire.. Then he goes on talking about other buildings haveing fires. Did those other buildings get hit by an airplane? I dont think so..

They think the calapse was all planned out. That it looked like a planned out demolition.. NO.. Let me ask u guys this question.. How much does a Commercial airline plane weigh? hmm? They said each engine is 3 tons each alone. Can that kind of airplane be inside the WTC and still have enough support to be standing? Especially when it has a huge hole inside it. The huge hole lowers the chance of the the building standing, and the airplane adds a shit of a lot more weight.

And of course it looked like a planned out demolition.. Both buildings are just complete rectangles. If its pointed straight up like that its going to come down that way to. The floord pancaked onto each other. Now if it was the sears tower that calapsed, that would be a different story, the top of the sears tower would probably tip over and fall over because as the building goes higher it looses ground area.

They said they saw an explosion on the other side of where the second tower was hit and i guess they thought that was weird rolleyes.gif Ya ok.. The plane is going 500 MPH.. I was suprised that the plane didnt hit the tower and came out shootin through the opposite side completely.

(I'm not defending the consipracists, I'm correcting you)

1) The plane wasn't inside of the building when that explosion happened, that was quite clear...

2) Your answer to the numerous explosions didn't explain how there were numerous explosions. It just explained how they heard them. Even that explanation is faulty, because the firemen outside of the building heard them too.

3) Nothing wrong here...

4) How does the weight of the airplane have anything to do with the manner in which it collapsed? It doesn't matter how perfectly square they were, the probability that they collapsed perfectly downward (as though all the main supports in the base were blown away) is low. Being that tall, and perfectly square, they should've fallen over, especially since there was only a huge hole in one side of the building, increasing the chance that it would've fallen over. If you were to take a tall structure, and punch a hole in one side of it, you would figure it would collapse in the direction the hole is.

Anyway, the only things I find as relative evidence is the seizmographs and the damage to the lobby of the north tower, the Osama video, the video tapes of the Pentagon, the passport, and the government agents being instructed not to fly that day.

I want to know how they figured the steel had to have reached the melting point for the buildings to have collapsed, how they figure they could only have collapsed with the use of bombs (wasn't a jetliner a very large bomb?), how they figure there must've been bombs if the tower stricken on the corner collapsed first (which would collapse first: the one with a hole knocked in the side, or the one with it's corner structure blown out? Isn't the corner a major strong-point in a building? [cornerstone, anyone?]), how they figure the flash in front of the planes wasn't a big glare from the shining front of the airplane (glimmers off the windows), how they didn't think of the air pressure while the building was collapsing rather than explosions, how they figure the numerous explosions had to have been bombs rather than the fuel exploding other things inside of the building (elevators falling, gas manes blowing, etc.), and how they figure that the molten steel in the basements couldn't have been from the intense heat smoldering in the rubble...

I believe that the government knew about it and allowed it (government officials not flying that day, the camera on top of the tower, the allowing of the planes to go off course for 40 minutes before action was taken, etc.)...I don't think they had the capability to perform it. @CaldMagi, you can't say that a bunch of Arabs in a cave had more capability of performing the operation than the U.S. government, because it had nothing to do with bombs (as the evidence points). The U.S. government could pull off what happened, not what you are theorizing happened...

1.) I saw 1/4 of the front of the plane inside that building in the frame that showed the flash. Thats how I saw it.

2.) Its pretty much obvious that what they THOUGHT was a bomb could have just been an explosion by something else. Their is 1 in 1000 chance it couldeve been a bomb. They check for weapons before you enter a building especially if you look middle eastern because of the 1993 bombing in the WTC.

When the people that escaped the WTC were talked to on News stations, they said the lower half of the building was malfunctioning because of the plane hitting it. So it was not only the top floors that were messed up. Thats why it most likely couldent have been a bomb, and was something that malfunctioned on the lower floors. Do i have absolute truth that it wasent a bomb? No, but i did list the facts that make the odds of it being a bomb slim to none. And so what if a firefighter from the outside heard it? Do you think only a bomb is loud enough to be heard from outside that tower? rolleyes.gif

4.) I didnt say the WEIGHT of the plane had anything to do with the WAY it calapsed. I said the weight of the plane was one of the reasons why it DID calapse. And the hole wasent only on one side of the tower. It blew out holes on every side. You think a plane hitting a tower at 500 MPH would cause only one hole on one side of the tower? rolleyes.gif

And the hole doesnt even matter. This is a pic of the South tower:
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The floors above the hit from the plane tiped over to its left because those floors were detatched from the lower part of the building, BECAUSE OF THE 4 BIG HOLES, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. The floors below the hit from the plane went down straight because they were all attached to each other perfectly and they pancaked onto each other.

Now, the North tower went down straight like a planned demolition. since the plane hit the north tower near the last floor, their are no floors on top of that to calapse on its side. so those floors fell ontop of the floors below it causeing it to AGAIN pancake ontop of each other. Because all those floors didnt have any problems with its structure.

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- JasOnZx   Loose Change   Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
- - Mattay   I just watched the entire movie. It has changed a...   Nov 27 2005, 02:33 PM
- - OptimumPx   I hate conspiracy theories. QUOTEhttp://www.sno...   Nov 27 2005, 04:25 PM
- - CaldMagi   Riddle me this OPX. According to the "Law of...   Nov 27 2005, 05:31 PM
- - OptimumPx   Uh-huh. So the North Tower was a second faster? ...   Nov 27 2005, 05:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 06:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   On the topic of the Pentagon plane, has anyone eve...   Nov 27 2005, 05:54 PM
- - OptimumPx   Oh ya CaldMagi, the guy (Jerry Russell, Ph.D.) who...   Nov 27 2005, 06:45 PM
- - Deacon   Another 9/11 conspiracy theory, eh? Quite an in...   Nov 27 2005, 06:57 PM
- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 09:13 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 07:56 PM
- - CaldMagi   Well... if a paper passport of a hijacker can surv...   Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM
- - OptimumPx   It was designed to take an impact from a lost plan...   Nov 27 2005, 08:32 PM
- - CaldMagi   "Nothing is designed or will be designed to w...   Nov 27 2005, 08:59 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I think people d otend to avoid the fact an airlin...   Nov 27 2005, 09:00 PM
- - OptimumPx   I was referring to this fire, which might I add la...   Nov 27 2005, 09:11 PM
- - CaldMagi   The fires at the WTCs have been reported by FEMA t...   Nov 27 2005, 09:29 PM
- - OptimumPx   Two 110 story buildings lying in a burning pile, a...   Nov 27 2005, 09:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 12:07 AM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 09:44 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 06:12 AM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 05:55 PM
- - tourdepain   I'd download that video, but I have dial up, d...   Nov 28 2005, 12:11 AM
- - mello_yello   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 27 2005, 08:08 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 03:39 PM
|- - N.T.C   QUOTE(mello_yello @ Nov 28 2005, 05:07 PM...   Dec 7 2005, 06:37 AM
- - Qdeathstar   I dont see that Any of the wacko conspiracy source...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - CaldMagi   Whether it was the US government who is responsibl...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - mello_yello   Too late >_>   Nov 28 2005, 05:25 PM
- - Qdeathstar   Yes, thats right, because it would mean that almos...   Nov 28 2005, 05:58 PM
- - Baldman_Sonetti   Control of the Iraqi oilfields? I think its bullsh...   Nov 28 2005, 06:02 PM
- - OptimumPx   Then why go through the trouble of blaming Al Qaed...   Nov 28 2005, 06:09 PM
|- - Baldman_Sonetti   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 07:37 PM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 06:20 PM
- - Qdeathstar   From what im seeing, the United States isnt gettin...   Nov 28 2005, 06:10 PM
- - CaldMagi   So the spies and special agents are not good enoug...   Nov 28 2005, 06:35 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 03:03 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 07:05 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I'd have to agree with you about it being chao...   Nov 28 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Qdeathstar   you need more exploses so that you can have a cont...   Nov 29 2005, 04:55 AM
- - CaldMagi   Funny how you guys think you will need ALOT of exp...   Nov 29 2005, 05:58 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 02:26 AM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 02:27 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 29 2005, 04:55 PM) ...   Nov 29 2005, 02:52 PM
- - OptimumPx   ...and the explosion wasn’t all of the jet fuel. ...   Nov 29 2005, 03:00 PM
- - Qdeathstar   besides that, if it was bombs, what made it stay u...   Nov 29 2005, 03:14 PM
- - CaldMagi   Why did the WTCs collapse due to fire, where there...   Nov 29 2005, 04:09 PM
|- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 12:37 PM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 09:36 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   What i cant beleive is the tapes taken out of the ...   Nov 29 2005, 04:39 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mechanicalizzle @ Nov 29 2005, 01:0...   Nov 29 2005, 07:15 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(OPX) Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on Se...   Dec 1 2005, 10:34 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Out of interest how many similar fires have there ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:44 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   All i'm saying is that if they want people to ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:16 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Yeah i suppose you are right there. I've never...   Nov 29 2005, 08:39 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Ok so what if they took the tapes and wont show it...   Nov 29 2005, 08:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   You have a few good points there. If it was the US...   Nov 29 2005, 08:51 PM
- - OptimumPx   Online maps make all kinds of mistakes. For examp...   Nov 29 2005, 09:29 PM
- - CaldMagi   I said similiar, not exact copy of the building. ...   Nov 30 2005, 05:55 AM
- - Qdeathstar   what building over 80 stories caught fire, with je...   Nov 30 2005, 02:18 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 30 2005, 07:23 AM) 1...   Nov 30 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Some of the video claims it was a planned demoliti...   Dec 1 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Qdeathstar   You dont need to get the melting point of steal fo...   Dec 1 2005, 10:23 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I could maybe believe the government let it happen...   Dec 2 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I don't know what to think. I can't see th...   Dec 3 2005, 12:37 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 02:44 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:12 P...   Dec 3 2005, 05:33 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Im not even going to bother with #1 anymore cuz i ...   Dec 3 2005, 07:13 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 3 2005, 01:41 A...   Dec 3 2005, 07:26 AM
- - Lord Steve0   I think the conspiracy theories are looking too ha...   Dec 3 2005, 12:22 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 08:04 PM
- - Caliguy   I watched it, and I am baffled. The whole thing ne...   Dec 3 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 3 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mattay @ Dec 3 2005, 06:05 PM) 1017...   Dec 4 2005, 02:14 AM
- - mello_yello   That'd be a first   Dec 4 2005, 01:06 AM
|- - Homero   If you think thats weird have a look at this: Arma...   Dec 4 2005, 01:38 AM
- - mello_yello   Yeah - it's not as if someone could say ...   Dec 4 2005, 02:45 AM
- - BAMV2   after watching that im getting to think that the g...   Dec 4 2005, 02:58 AM
- - ride_bmx   ok i might be wrong but i see that for a fire so l...   Dec 4 2005, 08:35 AM
- - CaldMagi   Lol @ the Pentagon conspiracy. Even I believe an a...   Dec 4 2005, 10:35 AM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 4 2005, 09:03 AM) 10...   Dec 5 2005, 07:22 PM
- - Lord Steve0   The lack of footage from there is odd, but then ag...   Dec 4 2005, 01:24 PM
- - mello_yello   It's a good few thousand ft before there's...   Dec 4 2005, 02:56 PM
- - ride_bmx   oh ok thanks for clearing that up   Dec 5 2005, 06:49 AM
- - CaldMagi   What does a tomahawk missile hole look like then? ...   Dec 5 2005, 07:58 PM
- - Mattay   Meh, just what I saw on the 'Loose Change...   Dec 5 2005, 08:09 PM
- - Albino   God, I love a good conspiracy theory. However, eve...   Dec 5 2005, 08:22 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I just can't bring myself to believe the gover...   Dec 5 2005, 10:52 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 5 2005, ...   Dec 5 2005, 10:54 PM
- - Lord Steve0   That's the one area the conspiracies fall down...   Dec 6 2005, 04:34 PM
- - CaldMagi   "In order to rally people, governments need e...   Dec 6 2005, 05:17 PM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 6 2005, 11:45 AM) 10...   Dec 6 2005, 10:29 PM
- - Lord Steve0   To be honest if a government really wanted the peo...   Dec 6 2005, 06:11 PM
|- - mello_yello   QUOTE(Lord Steve0 @ Dec 6 2005, 07:39 PM)...   Dec 7 2005, 10:07 AM
- - CaldMagi   Such as?   Dec 7 2005, 05:50 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Maybe true, but i doubt even Bush and his governme...   Dec 7 2005, 10:42 AM
- - mello_yello   I know, I'm just trying to be even-handed. He...   Dec 7 2005, 11:08 AM
- - Lord Steve0   No i missed it but saw it online. What a twat...   Dec 7 2005, 11:48 AM
- - mello_yello   I'll google it to get some "sources...   Dec 7 2005, 11:57 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Interesting read. But i get the feeling that a lot...   Dec 7 2005, 12:15 PM
- - mello_yello   http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php, for exampl...   Dec 7 2005, 12:22 PM
- - Albino   I don't understand why our own government woul...   Dec 7 2005, 12:33 PM
- - mello_yello   They need to convince the left wing (ie the slight...   Dec 7 2005, 12:42 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Cool lnk mello. Here's one it picked randomly...   Dec 7 2005, 12:43 PM
- - mello_yello   XD, more like George W. Bush allowed 9/11 to ha...   Dec 7 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 7 2005, 02:16 PM
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