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JasOnZx
post Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
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http://nineoneone.nl/Media/documentaries/9...documentary.wmv

Anyone who reads this topic I highly suggest to download and watch this video. It will change everything you thought about 9/11. The video is about an hour long but it gos into great detail about 9/11. Take my word on it its a great video. Not like good like funny but very seriouse and almost scary.

It's kinda hard to descrip so just watch it for your self.


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post Nov 27 2005, 09:00 PM
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I think people d otend to avoid the fact an airliner just hit the towers. They argue about how fire could not damage them badly wnough for a collapse. But they seem to forget that a plane hit both towers, in the case of tower two, right on a corner where most of the tower strength lies.
Apparently the fireproofing on the beams was poor, there have been investigations to show that fire did mess them up pretty bad. If you go and look at the debris if there's any left anywhere it is pretty warped from heat damage.
The fire was pretty dammed intense as well, it was in an enclosed area, with lots of oxygen as well. Winds up there would fan the fires, and the last thing the designers of fire control systems expect is for jet fuel to be burning 110 floors up a skyscraper. I've seem thermal images from the event and it looks extremly hot in there, easily enough to damage pillars and warp beams.

The evidence for bombs is pretty weak though. A few puffs of smoke and dust! The whole thing was caving in on iteslf! Just because you get debris flying out of windows a few stories below the main collapse doesn't mean there was a bomb. In fact when the first plane hit, it sent burning jet fuel shooting down the lift shafts to the ground floor and blew out all the windows there, that could be what happened when it collapsed.
And i think what OPX was saying about bombs not making it fall faster makes sense. A bomb would not blow the entire building down to the ground, if that was the case it would need to be above the building to push it down with it's explosive force. A bomb inside would send force every direction, it would probably slow the collapse not speed it up as debris would be going all over the place.
I just don't think there is anywhere near enough evidence to say bombs were involved. It was clearly obvious a plane hit each tower and blew a huge hole in each one, and the fire would seriously damage any internal pillars. I think people just want an alternative and are fitting their theories round whatever evidence they like.
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- JasOnZx   Loose Change   Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
- - Mattay   I just watched the entire movie. It has changed a...   Nov 27 2005, 02:33 PM
- - OptimumPx   I hate conspiracy theories. QUOTEhttp://www.sno...   Nov 27 2005, 04:25 PM
- - CaldMagi   Riddle me this OPX. According to the "Law of...   Nov 27 2005, 05:31 PM
- - OptimumPx   Uh-huh. So the North Tower was a second faster? ...   Nov 27 2005, 05:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 06:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   On the topic of the Pentagon plane, has anyone eve...   Nov 27 2005, 05:54 PM
- - OptimumPx   Oh ya CaldMagi, the guy (Jerry Russell, Ph.D.) who...   Nov 27 2005, 06:45 PM
- - Deacon   Another 9/11 conspiracy theory, eh? Quite an in...   Nov 27 2005, 06:57 PM
- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 09:13 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 07:56 PM
- - CaldMagi   Well... if a paper passport of a hijacker can surv...   Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM
- - OptimumPx   It was designed to take an impact from a lost plan...   Nov 27 2005, 08:32 PM
- - CaldMagi   "Nothing is designed or will be designed to w...   Nov 27 2005, 08:59 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I think people d otend to avoid the fact an airlin...   Nov 27 2005, 09:00 PM
- - OptimumPx   I was referring to this fire, which might I add la...   Nov 27 2005, 09:11 PM
- - CaldMagi   The fires at the WTCs have been reported by FEMA t...   Nov 27 2005, 09:29 PM
- - OptimumPx   Two 110 story buildings lying in a burning pile, a...   Nov 27 2005, 09:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 12:07 AM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 09:44 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 06:12 AM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 05:55 PM
- - tourdepain   I'd download that video, but I have dial up, d...   Nov 28 2005, 12:11 AM
- - mello_yello   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 27 2005, 08:08 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 03:39 PM
|- - N.T.C   QUOTE(mello_yello @ Nov 28 2005, 05:07 PM...   Dec 7 2005, 06:37 AM
- - Qdeathstar   I dont see that Any of the wacko conspiracy source...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - CaldMagi   Whether it was the US government who is responsibl...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - mello_yello   Too late >_>   Nov 28 2005, 05:25 PM
- - Qdeathstar   Yes, thats right, because it would mean that almos...   Nov 28 2005, 05:58 PM
- - Baldman_Sonetti   Control of the Iraqi oilfields? I think its bullsh...   Nov 28 2005, 06:02 PM
- - OptimumPx   Then why go through the trouble of blaming Al Qaed...   Nov 28 2005, 06:09 PM
|- - Baldman_Sonetti   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 07:37 PM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 06:20 PM
- - Qdeathstar   From what im seeing, the United States isnt gettin...   Nov 28 2005, 06:10 PM
- - CaldMagi   So the spies and special agents are not good enoug...   Nov 28 2005, 06:35 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 03:03 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 07:05 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I'd have to agree with you about it being chao...   Nov 28 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Qdeathstar   you need more exploses so that you can have a cont...   Nov 29 2005, 04:55 AM
- - CaldMagi   Funny how you guys think you will need ALOT of exp...   Nov 29 2005, 05:58 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 02:26 AM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 02:27 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 29 2005, 04:55 PM) ...   Nov 29 2005, 02:52 PM
- - OptimumPx   ...and the explosion wasn’t all of the jet fuel. ...   Nov 29 2005, 03:00 PM
- - Qdeathstar   besides that, if it was bombs, what made it stay u...   Nov 29 2005, 03:14 PM
- - CaldMagi   Why did the WTCs collapse due to fire, where there...   Nov 29 2005, 04:09 PM
|- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 12:37 PM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 09:36 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   What i cant beleive is the tapes taken out of the ...   Nov 29 2005, 04:39 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mechanicalizzle @ Nov 29 2005, 01:0...   Nov 29 2005, 07:15 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(OPX) Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on Se...   Dec 1 2005, 10:34 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Out of interest how many similar fires have there ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:44 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   All i'm saying is that if they want people to ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:16 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Yeah i suppose you are right there. I've never...   Nov 29 2005, 08:39 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Ok so what if they took the tapes and wont show it...   Nov 29 2005, 08:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   You have a few good points there. If it was the US...   Nov 29 2005, 08:51 PM
- - OptimumPx   Online maps make all kinds of mistakes. For examp...   Nov 29 2005, 09:29 PM
- - CaldMagi   I said similiar, not exact copy of the building. ...   Nov 30 2005, 05:55 AM
- - Qdeathstar   what building over 80 stories caught fire, with je...   Nov 30 2005, 02:18 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 30 2005, 07:23 AM) 1...   Nov 30 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Some of the video claims it was a planned demoliti...   Dec 1 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Qdeathstar   You dont need to get the melting point of steal fo...   Dec 1 2005, 10:23 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I could maybe believe the government let it happen...   Dec 2 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I don't know what to think. I can't see th...   Dec 3 2005, 12:37 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 02:44 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:12 P...   Dec 3 2005, 05:33 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Im not even going to bother with #1 anymore cuz i ...   Dec 3 2005, 07:13 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 3 2005, 01:41 A...   Dec 3 2005, 07:26 AM
- - Lord Steve0   I think the conspiracy theories are looking too ha...   Dec 3 2005, 12:22 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 08:04 PM
- - Caliguy   I watched it, and I am baffled. The whole thing ne...   Dec 3 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 3 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mattay @ Dec 3 2005, 06:05 PM) 1017...   Dec 4 2005, 02:14 AM
- - mello_yello   That'd be a first   Dec 4 2005, 01:06 AM
|- - Homero   If you think thats weird have a look at this: Arma...   Dec 4 2005, 01:38 AM
- - mello_yello   Yeah - it's not as if someone could say ...   Dec 4 2005, 02:45 AM
- - BAMV2   after watching that im getting to think that the g...   Dec 4 2005, 02:58 AM
- - ride_bmx   ok i might be wrong but i see that for a fire so l...   Dec 4 2005, 08:35 AM
- - CaldMagi   Lol @ the Pentagon conspiracy. Even I believe an a...   Dec 4 2005, 10:35 AM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 4 2005, 09:03 AM) 10...   Dec 5 2005, 07:22 PM
- - Lord Steve0   The lack of footage from there is odd, but then ag...   Dec 4 2005, 01:24 PM
- - mello_yello   It's a good few thousand ft before there's...   Dec 4 2005, 02:56 PM
- - ride_bmx   oh ok thanks for clearing that up   Dec 5 2005, 06:49 AM
- - CaldMagi   What does a tomahawk missile hole look like then? ...   Dec 5 2005, 07:58 PM
- - Mattay   Meh, just what I saw on the 'Loose Change...   Dec 5 2005, 08:09 PM
- - Albino   God, I love a good conspiracy theory. However, eve...   Dec 5 2005, 08:22 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I just can't bring myself to believe the gover...   Dec 5 2005, 10:52 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 5 2005, ...   Dec 5 2005, 10:54 PM
- - Lord Steve0   That's the one area the conspiracies fall down...   Dec 6 2005, 04:34 PM
- - CaldMagi   "In order to rally people, governments need e...   Dec 6 2005, 05:17 PM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 6 2005, 11:45 AM) 10...   Dec 6 2005, 10:29 PM
- - Lord Steve0   To be honest if a government really wanted the peo...   Dec 6 2005, 06:11 PM
|- - mello_yello   QUOTE(Lord Steve0 @ Dec 6 2005, 07:39 PM)...   Dec 7 2005, 10:07 AM
- - CaldMagi   Such as?   Dec 7 2005, 05:50 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Maybe true, but i doubt even Bush and his governme...   Dec 7 2005, 10:42 AM
- - mello_yello   I know, I'm just trying to be even-handed. He...   Dec 7 2005, 11:08 AM
- - Lord Steve0   No i missed it but saw it online. What a twat...   Dec 7 2005, 11:48 AM
- - mello_yello   I'll google it to get some "sources...   Dec 7 2005, 11:57 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Interesting read. But i get the feeling that a lot...   Dec 7 2005, 12:15 PM
- - mello_yello   http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php, for exampl...   Dec 7 2005, 12:22 PM
- - Albino   I don't understand why our own government woul...   Dec 7 2005, 12:33 PM
- - mello_yello   They need to convince the left wing (ie the slight...   Dec 7 2005, 12:42 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Cool lnk mello. Here's one it picked randomly...   Dec 7 2005, 12:43 PM
- - mello_yello   XD, more like George W. Bush allowed 9/11 to ha...   Dec 7 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 7 2005, 02:16 PM
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