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JasOnZx
post Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
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http://nineoneone.nl/Media/documentaries/9...documentary.wmv

Anyone who reads this topic I highly suggest to download and watch this video. It will change everything you thought about 9/11. The video is about an hour long but it gos into great detail about 9/11. Take my word on it its a great video. Not like good like funny but very seriouse and almost scary.

It's kinda hard to descrip so just watch it for your self.


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I hate conspiracy theories. dry.gif

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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on September 11 was caused by something other than a hijacked Boeing 757's being crashed into its side.
Status: False.

...Recall that when the first airliner was flown into a World Trade Center tower on September 11 — before it was known that the "accident" was really part of a deliberate terrorist attack — newscasters were speculating that a small plane had accidentally flown into the side of the tower, because the visible exterior damage didn't seem as extensive as what people thought a large airliner would cause. Even though the two airplanes flown into the World Trade Center towers were travelling faster at the time of impact than the Pentagon plane was (400 MPH vs. 350 MPH), hit aluminum-and-glass buildings rather than reinforced concrete walls, and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first (as the Pentagon plane did), they still barely penetrated all the way through the WTC towers.


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http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
So let's start with a broad question: would U.S. officials be capable of such a foul deed? Capable -- as in able to pull it off and willing to do so. Simply put, the spies and special agents are not good enough, evil enough, or gutsy enough to mount this operation. That conclusion is based partly on, dare I say it, common sense, but also on years spent covering national security matters. (For a book I wrote on the CIA, I interviewed over 100 CIA officials and employees.)

Not good enough: Such a plot -- to execute the simultaneous destruction of the two towers, a piece of the Pentagon, and four airplanes and make it appear as if it all was done by another party -- is far beyond the skill level of U.S. intelligence. It would require dozens (or scores or hundreds) of individuals to attempt such a scheme. They would have to work together, and trust one another not to blow their part or reveal the conspiracy. They would hail from an assortment of agencies (CIA, FBI, INS, Customs, State, FAA, NTSB, DOD, etc.).

Yet anyone with the most basic understanding of how government functions (or does not function) realizes that the various bureaucracies of Washington -- particularly those of the national security "community" -- do not work well together. Even covering up advance knowledge would require an extensive plot. If there truly had been intelligence reports predicting the 9/11 attacks, these reports would have circulated through intelligence and policymaking circles before the folks at the top decided to smother them for geopolitical gain. That would make for a unwieldy conspiracy of silence. And in either scenario -- planning the attacks or permitting them to occur -- everyone who participated in the conspiracy would have to be freakin' sure that all the other plotters would stay quiet.

And tell me this: how the hell was the government going to plant controlled demolition explosives in three (in you count WTC #7) insanely busy office buildings in the middle of downtown Manhattan without a single person noticing anything what-so-ever?

The US Government can barley get anything done on a good day, much less keep something like that quiet.
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Think about this kind of scenario: the evil PNAC cabal wanted a war and needed a massive terrorist attack as a pretext. They think, we could fly some "hijacked" planes into the WTC towers. Just one problem with that idea -- burning jet fuel isn't sufficient to bring the towers down [No, I don't believe that nonsense. I'm humoring these morons, focusing on the scenario itself. -- Ed.] and the public might not support our Pertpetual War if the towers don't collapse. Oh yeah, and don't forget about WTC 7. The plan won't work unless we rig explosives to bring down that building, too. And don't worry about getting caught. It's easy to rig three office buildings in downtown Manhattan with enough explosives to bring them down without anyone noticing.

Now, a "controlled demolition" that succeeds where the 1993 WTC bombing failed should be sufficient, but for some reason, the neocon cabal thought it necessary to go through with the hijacked planes plot, even though they were deemed insufficient to do the job. And they managed to coordinate them in such a way so that they crashed into the buildings at the exact locations of the rigged explosives -- can't have anyone seeing explosions in another part of the buildings -- and manage to do that without setting off the explosives prematurely ...

What fucking planet are these people from?


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http://cointelprotool.blogspot.com/2003_09...389955927810681
Take the BBC, for example, which did in fact report, on September 23, 2001, that some of the alleged terrorists were alive and healthy and had protested their being named as assassins.

But there is one wrinkle. The BBC journalist responsible for the story only recalls this supposed sensation after having been told the date on which the story aired. "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time," he says, and tells us that the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper.

Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.

The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain."


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- JasOnZx   Loose Change   Nov 27 2005, 05:49 AM
- - Mattay   I just watched the entire movie. It has changed a...   Nov 27 2005, 02:33 PM
- - OptimumPx   I hate conspiracy theories. QUOTEhttp://www.sno...   Nov 27 2005, 04:25 PM
- - CaldMagi   Riddle me this OPX. According to the "Law of...   Nov 27 2005, 05:31 PM
- - OptimumPx   Uh-huh. So the North Tower was a second faster? ...   Nov 27 2005, 05:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 06:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   On the topic of the Pentagon plane, has anyone eve...   Nov 27 2005, 05:54 PM
- - OptimumPx   Oh ya CaldMagi, the guy (Jerry Russell, Ph.D.) who...   Nov 27 2005, 06:45 PM
- - Deacon   Another 9/11 conspiracy theory, eh? Quite an in...   Nov 27 2005, 06:57 PM
- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 27 2005, 09:13 PM) ...   Nov 27 2005, 07:56 PM
- - CaldMagi   Well... if a paper passport of a hijacker can surv...   Nov 27 2005, 08:07 PM
- - OptimumPx   It was designed to take an impact from a lost plan...   Nov 27 2005, 08:32 PM
- - CaldMagi   "Nothing is designed or will be designed to w...   Nov 27 2005, 08:59 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I think people d otend to avoid the fact an airlin...   Nov 27 2005, 09:00 PM
- - OptimumPx   I was referring to this fire, which might I add la...   Nov 27 2005, 09:11 PM
- - CaldMagi   The fires at the WTCs have been reported by FEMA t...   Nov 27 2005, 09:29 PM
- - OptimumPx   Two 110 story buildings lying in a burning pile, a...   Nov 27 2005, 09:39 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 12:07 AM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 09:44 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 06:12 AM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 05:55 PM
- - tourdepain   I'd download that video, but I have dial up, d...   Nov 28 2005, 12:11 AM
- - mello_yello   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 27 2005, 08:08 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 03:39 PM
|- - N.T.C   QUOTE(mello_yello @ Nov 28 2005, 05:07 PM...   Dec 7 2005, 06:37 AM
- - Qdeathstar   I dont see that Any of the wacko conspiracy source...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - CaldMagi   Whether it was the US government who is responsibl...   Nov 28 2005, 04:15 PM
- - mello_yello   Too late >_>   Nov 28 2005, 05:25 PM
- - Qdeathstar   Yes, thats right, because it would mean that almos...   Nov 28 2005, 05:58 PM
- - Baldman_Sonetti   Control of the Iraqi oilfields? I think its bullsh...   Nov 28 2005, 06:02 PM
- - OptimumPx   Then why go through the trouble of blaming Al Qaed...   Nov 28 2005, 06:09 PM
|- - Baldman_Sonetti   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 28 2005, 07:37 PM) ...   Nov 28 2005, 06:20 PM
- - Qdeathstar   From what im seeing, the United States isnt gettin...   Nov 28 2005, 06:10 PM
- - CaldMagi   So the spies and special agents are not good enoug...   Nov 28 2005, 06:35 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 28 2005, 03:03 PM) 1...   Nov 28 2005, 07:05 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I'd have to agree with you about it being chao...   Nov 28 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Qdeathstar   you need more exploses so that you can have a cont...   Nov 29 2005, 04:55 AM
- - CaldMagi   Funny how you guys think you will need ALOT of exp...   Nov 29 2005, 05:58 AM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 02:26 AM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 02:27 PM
|- - CaldMagi   QUOTE(OptimumPx @ Nov 29 2005, 04:55 PM) ...   Nov 29 2005, 02:52 PM
- - OptimumPx   ...and the explosion wasn’t all of the jet fuel. ...   Nov 29 2005, 03:00 PM
- - Qdeathstar   besides that, if it was bombs, what made it stay u...   Nov 29 2005, 03:14 PM
- - CaldMagi   Why did the WTCs collapse due to fire, where there...   Nov 29 2005, 04:09 PM
|- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 29 2005, 12:37 PM) 1...   Nov 29 2005, 09:36 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   What i cant beleive is the tapes taken out of the ...   Nov 29 2005, 04:39 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mechanicalizzle @ Nov 29 2005, 01:0...   Nov 29 2005, 07:15 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(OPX) Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on Se...   Dec 1 2005, 10:34 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Out of interest how many similar fires have there ...   Nov 29 2005, 07:44 PM
- - Mechanicalizzle   All i'm saying is that if they want people to ...   Nov 29 2005, 08:16 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Yeah i suppose you are right there. I've never...   Nov 29 2005, 08:39 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Ok so what if they took the tapes and wont show it...   Nov 29 2005, 08:40 PM
- - Lord Steve0   You have a few good points there. If it was the US...   Nov 29 2005, 08:51 PM
- - OptimumPx   Online maps make all kinds of mistakes. For examp...   Nov 29 2005, 09:29 PM
- - CaldMagi   I said similiar, not exact copy of the building. ...   Nov 30 2005, 05:55 AM
- - Qdeathstar   what building over 80 stories caught fire, with je...   Nov 30 2005, 02:18 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Nov 30 2005, 07:23 AM) 1...   Nov 30 2005, 10:49 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Some of the video claims it was a planned demoliti...   Dec 1 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Qdeathstar   You dont need to get the melting point of steal fo...   Dec 1 2005, 10:23 PM
- - Lord Steve0   I could maybe believe the government let it happen...   Dec 2 2005, 08:32 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I don't know what to think. I can't see th...   Dec 3 2005, 12:37 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 02:44 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 2 2005, 09:12 P...   Dec 3 2005, 05:33 AM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   Im not even going to bother with #1 anymore cuz i ...   Dec 3 2005, 07:13 AM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(GTA_PlAyA_728 @ Dec 3 2005, 01:41 A...   Dec 3 2005, 07:26 AM
- - Lord Steve0   I think the conspiracy theories are looking too ha...   Dec 3 2005, 12:22 PM
- - GTA_PlAyA_728   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 3 2005, ...   Dec 3 2005, 08:04 PM
- - Caliguy   I watched it, and I am baffled. The whole thing ne...   Dec 3 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 3 2005, 09:37 PM
|- - OptimumPx   QUOTE(Mattay @ Dec 3 2005, 06:05 PM) 1017...   Dec 4 2005, 02:14 AM
- - mello_yello   That'd be a first   Dec 4 2005, 01:06 AM
|- - Homero   If you think thats weird have a look at this: Arma...   Dec 4 2005, 01:38 AM
- - mello_yello   Yeah - it's not as if someone could say ...   Dec 4 2005, 02:45 AM
- - BAMV2   after watching that im getting to think that the g...   Dec 4 2005, 02:58 AM
- - ride_bmx   ok i might be wrong but i see that for a fire so l...   Dec 4 2005, 08:35 AM
- - CaldMagi   Lol @ the Pentagon conspiracy. Even I believe an a...   Dec 4 2005, 10:35 AM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 4 2005, 09:03 AM) 10...   Dec 5 2005, 07:22 PM
- - Lord Steve0   The lack of footage from there is odd, but then ag...   Dec 4 2005, 01:24 PM
- - mello_yello   It's a good few thousand ft before there's...   Dec 4 2005, 02:56 PM
- - ride_bmx   oh ok thanks for clearing that up   Dec 5 2005, 06:49 AM
- - CaldMagi   What does a tomahawk missile hole look like then? ...   Dec 5 2005, 07:58 PM
- - Mattay   Meh, just what I saw on the 'Loose Change...   Dec 5 2005, 08:09 PM
- - Albino   God, I love a good conspiracy theory. However, eve...   Dec 5 2005, 08:22 PM
- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   I just can't bring myself to believe the gover...   Dec 5 2005, 10:52 PM
|- - Mattay   QUOTE(Un-Amärakin Bastard @ Dec 5 2005, ...   Dec 5 2005, 10:54 PM
- - Lord Steve0   That's the one area the conspiracies fall down...   Dec 6 2005, 04:34 PM
- - CaldMagi   "In order to rally people, governments need e...   Dec 6 2005, 05:17 PM
|- - Un-Amärakin Bastard   QUOTE(CaldMagi @ Dec 6 2005, 11:45 AM) 10...   Dec 6 2005, 10:29 PM
- - Lord Steve0   To be honest if a government really wanted the peo...   Dec 6 2005, 06:11 PM
|- - mello_yello   QUOTE(Lord Steve0 @ Dec 6 2005, 07:39 PM)...   Dec 7 2005, 10:07 AM
- - CaldMagi   Such as?   Dec 7 2005, 05:50 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Maybe true, but i doubt even Bush and his governme...   Dec 7 2005, 10:42 AM
- - mello_yello   I know, I'm just trying to be even-handed. He...   Dec 7 2005, 11:08 AM
- - Lord Steve0   No i missed it but saw it online. What a twat...   Dec 7 2005, 11:48 AM
- - mello_yello   I'll google it to get some "sources...   Dec 7 2005, 11:57 AM
- - Lord Steve0   Interesting read. But i get the feeling that a lot...   Dec 7 2005, 12:15 PM
- - mello_yello   http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php, for exampl...   Dec 7 2005, 12:22 PM
- - Albino   I don't understand why our own government woul...   Dec 7 2005, 12:33 PM
- - mello_yello   They need to convince the left wing (ie the slight...   Dec 7 2005, 12:42 PM
- - Lord Steve0   Cool lnk mello. Here's one it picked randomly...   Dec 7 2005, 12:43 PM
- - mello_yello   XD, more like George W. Bush allowed 9/11 to ha...   Dec 7 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Qdeathstar   QUOTE(Caliguy @ Dec 3 2005, 07:54 PM) 101...   Dec 7 2005, 02:16 PM
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