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post Oct 12 2011, 05:06 AM
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How the Hell can a big fat slow Enforcer outrun me when I drive a Police
car?! Police cars are very fast, much faster than that semi-armored truck.
And they don't just outrun me, they outrun me like if I had two cylinders
mis-firing. The Enforcer accelerate twice as fast as my Police car, and
have greater top speed too (when cops drive it).

I know that vehicles are run by scripts, we can see Forklifts and airport
Tugs drive at car speed on the freeway, but if they make contact with
another vehicle, then the script ends and the CPU start to "drive" those
vehicles at the speed they are actually capable of.

Police vehicles are not run by that freeway script, not even when they drive
on the freeway, and this was not on a freeway.

They are cheating! sneaky2.gif



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post Oct 12 2011, 11:46 PM
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If you weren't playing a seven-year-old game, you wouldn't have these problems. Buy a 360.


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The game was always messed up like that. Crappy cars on the freeway could out run your sports car at certain points.


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post Oct 13 2011, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (Massacre @ Oct 13 2011, 01:46 AM) *
If you weren't playing a seven-year-old game, you wouldn't have these problems. Buy a 360.

San Andreas is a classic game I'll enjoy 50 years after its release.
About getting a 360 - I don't know...
But is a 360 the best hardware to run San Andreas on? A new PS3 can't run it. And the PS2 is too weak when lots of things happens in the game at the same time. Playing San Andreas would be the biggest reason for me to get a 360. For other games I would want PS3. (Yes I do like Sony as much as I dislike Microsoft.)



QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Oct 13 2011, 02:36 AM) *
The game was always messed up like that. Crappy cars on the freeway could out run your sports car at certain points.

Yes, but as I said it's not the freeway script that run police/fire/medic vehicles.
I think it's not an accident that is the reason behind it, they probably coded it this way intentionally to make it more difficult to outrun the police.



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post Oct 14 2011, 12:36 AM
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If you want to play newer games but still want to play San Andreas, then a 360 is your only option. Get a 360, the original Xbox version of San Andreas, and GTA IV.


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post Oct 14 2011, 03:13 AM
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How does San Andreas run on 360 compared to Xbox? It should have the same graphics, but maybe it runs smoother?

I guess you know how it slows down on PS2 sometimes, that's the only complaint I have. The resolution is okay, but some circles are not round, for example some rims... Which is strange as even a Commodore 64 can draw perfect circles.


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Glitches, there's too many glitches on PS2 that can mess up the game unless you know how to avoid them. But I don't know if it has less glitches on PC and Xbox.

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post Oct 14 2011, 08:19 PM
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My game became unplayable on PS2 after I hit 1200 hours. All traffic had the dangerous highway speeds, so you couldn't cross the street on foot or in a vehicle without getting hit, and every red light ended in a pileup because the cars didn't stop in time. The game was constantly stuck in riot mode, without me ever saving with the riot cheat entered. I could recruit gang members, but they would always freak out and run away after a few seconds. Occasionally, I would get attacked by a ped with a rocket launcher, and I never used the 'peds have rpgs' cheat. Ever.

I'm nowhere near that amount of play time on 360, but I haven't run into a single glitch.

As for Xbox vs. 360, the 360 version runs much smoother, possibly even more so than the PC version.


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post Oct 15 2011, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (Massacre @ Oct 14 2011, 10:19 PM) *
My game became unplayable on PS2 after I hit 1200 hours. All traffic had the dangerous highway speeds, so you couldn't cross the street on foot or in a vehicle without getting hit, and every red light ended in a pileup because the cars didn't stop in time. The game was constantly stuck in riot mode, without me ever saving with the riot cheat entered. I could recruit gang members, but they would always freak out and run away after a few seconds. Occasionally, I would get attacked by a ped with a rocket launcher, and I never used the 'peds have rpgs' cheat. Ever.

I'm nowhere near that amount of play time on 360, but I haven't run into a single glitch.

As for Xbox vs. 360, the 360 version runs much smoother, possibly even more so than the PC version.

It is very interesting what you say about the traffic speed glitch. I got the speed glitch on a save, but I thought it was because I had been too far away from the island (far out at sea). One save have more than 1000 hours, I don't know if it's more than 1200. I don't remember if was that save that had the speed glitch.

I have not had the riot glitch, but I have tried the cheat so I know what you are talking about.

Sigh. Maybe I'll have to buy a 360 just to play my old favorite. So there is a special 360 version of San Andreas? Just out of curiosity, will the Xbox version work on 360?



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post Oct 15 2011, 01:31 AM
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There's just the original Xbox version of SA (you might find the original or the Platinum Hits version, but they're the same thing, and the price depends on where you find it), which works on 360, and then there's a downloadable version on Xbox Live for $20. There's no actual 360 version.

360's don't cost too much these days, and there are plenty of other games to play besides San Andreas. You'll get your money's worth.

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post Oct 15 2011, 12:57 PM
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One thing that annoys me a little sometimes, is that vehicles and people disappear out of memory so soon after you turn your back on them. And new ones (especially cops) spawn right behind your back.
Is this exactly the same on all three hardware platforms?



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Games are usually better on its original platform. San Andreas was first developed for PS2, but maybe this is a case where the original is not the best.


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post Oct 15 2011, 09:11 PM
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It's because the Xbox had more powerful hardware than the PS2. San Andreas pushed the PS2 hardware to its absolute limit. The 360, of course, blows the PS2 and Xbox away, so it's obviously going to be your best option.


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post Oct 16 2011, 11:27 AM
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I have forgot what Xbox was better at, but I think it was better at some things while PS2 was better at other things. Maybe Xbox is more powerful overall, I don't remember so I'll just buy your word.


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post Oct 17 2011, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Massacre @ Oct 15 2011, 11:11 PM) *
It's because the Xbox had more powerful hardware than the PS2. San Andreas pushed the PS2 hardware to its absolute limit. The 360, of course, blows the PS2 and Xbox away, so it's obviously going to be your best option.

On 360, do you avoid the problem with driving into objects that are invisible? When you rotate the view, are everything immediately visible, or are certain objects like trees drawn a moment later?

I also have to consider the PC version, PC power blasts the consoles away. But I don't like mouse and keyboard controls, and I don't know if the gamepads you buy to PC's have the same quality as Sony or Microsoft.

Third party gamepads to PS2 sucks ass, only the Sony ones are worth using.



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post Oct 18 2011, 05:08 AM
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If you're going full speed in the fastest vehicles, there will still be pop-in, but that's the game engine, not the hardware.


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post Oct 18 2011, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (Massacre @ Oct 18 2011, 07:08 AM) *
If you're going full speed in the fastest vehicles, there will still be pop-in, but that's the game engine, not the hardware.

Sometimes when I go a bit fast in medium fast vehicles, much of the graphics such as sidewalk and street color may not show until I slow down or until I've driven the same street for some moments. Major things such as buildings do show unless I go very very fast.

Is this I just described the same on PC and 360 too? I didn't know it was the game engine that caused this, but I do still suspect that the slow graphics are partially caused my hardware limitations. If this is right, better hardware could maybe help a little, or a lot.





Who got experience with PC gamepads? What's the quality like? Good as Sony/Microsoft or totally shite?






Maybe I should make another thread for this, the subject reads "Police are cheating"... Or maybe I will edit it. unsure.gif

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post Oct 19 2011, 08:03 PM
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PC controllers are shit. I do just fine with keyboard and mouse controls, but I've also spent thousands of hours playing Fallout and Oblivion and other games on PC.

You might be able to use a 360 controller, but if you're going to spend $50 just for a controller, you might as well spend another $250 on the whole package, or you could find one of the old models for a total of $250. Just make sure you get one with a hard drive and not one of the old Arcade versions with the 256 mb memory card.

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QUOTE (demon @ Oct 17 2011, 04:06 PM) *
I also have to consider the PC version, PC power blasts the consoles away. But I don't like mouse and keyboard controls, and I don't know if the gamepads you buy to PC's have the same quality as Sony or Microsoft.
Third party gamepads to PS2 sucks ass, only the Sony ones are worth using.

I use the Logitech Dual Action when playing the PC GTA:SA. It works fine with The Game, and I don't need any special drivers for it to operate.
The PC game has some of the missions configured to be easier. i.e. "Supply Lines", as it is a Timed mission in the PS2 version (Fuel useage is fixed) in the PC version the fuel can be 'saved' by not pressing the throttle key and also by rolling on the ground. Graphics are more clear, There are more trees and ground litter, you can read the signs. Vehicles stay longer when out of view as there is more memory in use.

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post Oct 29 2011, 09:25 PM
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Thank you Weasel, that was valuable info on some details.

Logitech usually make quality, so hopefully their controller is a lot better than third party (Logic3) controllers to PS2.

I guess I'll buy the PC version then, and not buy a Xbox 360 just for this game. There are no other games I want to play on a 360 so I'll be happy with one console less.



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