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Who do you support?
Who do you support?
Conservatives [ 6 ] ** [46.15%]
Labour [ 1 ] ** [7.69%]
Lib Dem. [ 2 ] ** [15.38%]
BNP [ 4 ] ** [30.77%]
Other (specify) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Independents [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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post Apr 7 2010, 02:32 AM
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So it's been called for 6th May iirc. Who do you support and why? What are your predictions?

Hoping for a Conservative victory myself. I'll expand later if anyone asks.



Am I the only one that thinks this is filmed like a mockumentary?

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post Apr 7 2010, 03:30 AM
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I'm voting Liberal, as I have at every local and European election in the last 4+ years. In b4 wasted vote bullshit...

I'm guessing the electro-tories will win...but not by as great a margin as their supporters might wish. Remember when there was a fear that great swathes of the electorate might not be able to bring themselves to vote for a black man in the US elections? I think those that remember Thatcher might find their mettle tested when they come to protest vote for the Tories...

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post Apr 7 2010, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 7 2010, 01:30 PM) *
I'm voting Liberal, as I have at every local and European election in the last 4+ years. In b4 wasted vote bullshit...


Aren't they really just Labour-lite though? My understanding of the Lib. Dem platform only goes as far as their Wikipedia page sorry.

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post Apr 7 2010, 09:49 AM
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Conservatives, just due to the fact the Labour MP here is a dick, and the Conservative is the only MP I've actually heard from.


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post Apr 7 2010, 03:30 PM
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Saw it on the news. Then I realized it was British and changed the channel
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post Apr 8 2010, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE (0bs3n3 @ Apr 7 2010, 08:25 AM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 7 2010, 01:30 PM) *
I'm voting Liberal, as I have at every local and European election in the last 4+ years. In b4 wasted vote bullshit...


Aren't they really just Labour-lite though? My understanding of the Lib. Dem platform only goes as far as their Wikipedia page sorry.
Not at all, Labour completely changed their character in 1997. Lib Dems are a little like Labour before that change, hence why they have some of Labour's more principled members from the past (eg the possible chancellor-to-be, Vince Cable).

They've been anti-war and anti-banks for a while now, which is in essence why I like them. Not a fan of Nick Clegg, really, but he's the best of three awful, insincere men. David Cameron came and visited my university for a photoshoot in front of the renewable energy research centre, on a weekend without telling any students. Says it all, really.


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post Apr 8 2010, 03:13 AM
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I don't care for the crown myself, but for the sake of topic, I voted BNP.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

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post Apr 9 2010, 12:01 PM
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I'm definitely not gonna vote Labour and right now for me it's a toss up between C and LD. Leaning towards C. I still don't know how the Conservatives expect to bring in gains from Midlands/North. Best hope is for regional parties like SNP/that Welsh one to take away Labour seats and Lib Dems

It'll be an interesting outcome

Also I think BNP will win a few seats, almost inevitable, messed up but that's how shit is
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post Apr 9 2010, 03:43 PM
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Conservatives can suck my penis. I'm a POOR STUDENT, they have no respect for students, or poor people!

Labour ftw, untill i'm rich anyway!


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post Apr 9 2010, 05:25 PM
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That's pretty self-serving.


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post Apr 9 2010, 05:38 PM
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If I remember to vote, it'll be for the Pirate Party. None of the big three deserve any votes.


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post Apr 9 2010, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 9 2010, 01:25 PM) *
That's pretty self-serving.


Most liberals generally are.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Apr 9 2010, 06:17 PM
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How cynical. Everyone expects their vote to cause a revolution, but sometimes small things matter. People are full of anger and vitality, but they refuse to do even the basest duty required to change anything. Your vote might not be a magic bullet, but it's the apathy that gives politicians a mandate to maintain the status quo. This whiny "I-don't-have-overarching-powers" attitude to voting is the reason why there's so little change. It's arrogant, cynical and leads to a self-perpetuating cycle of stagnation and apathy. I don't accept it as a stance.

That said:



Not much change altogether along policy lines. It's sad, how people will say, in their hundreds and thousands "Vince Cable impressed me greatly in the chancellors' debate", and yet on the 22nd of March, very little positive change in voting intentions for the Lib Dems (+0.7% over the week). Tactical voting...

But Samantha Cameron gets pregnant, the Conservatives get a 3.2% boost over 10 days!! People are idiots.


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post Apr 9 2010, 06:23 PM
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In America, the elections are handled a lot different. Over here, we have the electoral college - created in large because the founding fathers feared the uneducated voter. They felt he was easily swayed by yellow journalism, and set up a system to make sure he never had a chance to vote, but felt like he did anyway. That system is still in place today, with only a handful of tiny states having laws that force the electoral to agree with the populist vote.

But never mind that - all parties everywhere really want the same thing anyways. More and more personal power to exert control over their own ant hill. Nobody has your best interests at heart other then yourself.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Apr 9 2010, 06:35 PM
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Well yeah, but you can push in the right direction as much as you can. At the 2001 election, the Liberal Democrats received 17% of the vote and got 6.9% of the seats, so our system isn't fair either.

That's why many (including the Lib Dems, of course) are pushing for electoral form in the shape of "proportional representation", which I'm sure you can imagine favours direct(ish) democracy.


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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 9 2010, 02:35 PM) *
Well yeah, but you can push in the right direction as much as you can. At the 2001 election, the Liberal Democrats received 17% of the vote and got 6.9% of the seats, so our system isn't fair either.

That's why many (including the Lib Dems, of course) are pushing for electoral form in the shape of "proportional representation", which I'm sure you can imagine favours direct(ish) democracy.


At my age, I've seen seven presidents come and go, and nothing drastic has really changed. Everything has remained mostly the same, albeit more expensive. The promises of parties and party leaders are like really hot lesbians - you hardly see them in real life, and when you do, they want nothing to do with you. But damn it you tell that same story of a magical night in college, right? Because even if you know it isn't true, you want to believe the dream right? No matter how you change the system, we will always be chasing a non-existent black cat in a dark room.

As for the change in electoral form - don't worry. You're political views will change rapidly when you leave uni, but by then it'll be far too late to change anything, and you're eventual retirement at 50 wouldn't be all that you'd hoped for.

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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

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QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Apr 9 2010, 07:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 9 2010, 01:25 PM) *
That's pretty self-serving.


Most liberals generally are.



It's true, but that is exaclty how the torries are. They tend to look after the rich in thier own interests... ohmy.gif


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Not labour,(Gordon Brown) not BNP, (Chelsea will lose Drogba) so I guess its whoever David Cameron leads!


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post Apr 9 2010, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Apr 9 2010, 07:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 9 2010, 02:35 PM) *
Well yeah, but you can push in the right direction as much as you can. At the 2001 election, the Liberal Democrats received 17% of the vote and got 6.9% of the seats, so our system isn't fair either.

That's why many (including the Lib Dems, of course) are pushing for electoral form in the shape of "proportional representation", which I'm sure you can imagine favours direct(ish) democracy.


At my age, I've seen seven presidents come and go, and nothing drastic has really changed. Everything has remained mostly the same, albeit more expensive. The promises of parties and party leaders are like really hot lesbians - you hardly see them in real life, and when you do, they want nothing to do with you. But damn it you tell that same story of a magical night in college, right? Because even if you know it isn't true, you want to believe the dream right? No matter how you change the system, we will always be chasing a non-existent black cat in a dark room.

As for the change in electoral form - don't worry. You're political views will change rapidly when you leave uni, but by then it'll be far too late to change anything, and you're eventual retirement at 50 wouldn't be all that you'd hoped for.
I'm not sure I buy this. It's common received wisdom that people become more conservative as they grow older. I think it's largely true, because people are unsympathetic and selfish, but I don't think it's necessarily the way. There are a few George Orwells around, continuing to speak in favour of democratic socialism into their old age.

I think (though I can't find the exact quote after a while trying) it was Karl Rove who said "...people tend to vote Republican more, the older they get and the more money they have. Unless they're educated, in that case they vote independent or Democrat."

Which I think says a lot.

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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 9 2010, 01:25 PM) *
That's pretty self-serving.


Most liberals generally are.


It's true, but that is exaclty how the torries are. They tend to look after the rich in thier own interests... ohmy.gif
Again, I don't think it's a liberal thing to be self-serving. I try and see it from the other side, but it seems to me that it's brutally obvious that big business, religion, those born into old money, etc., conserve their interests through the right wing more than the unemployed poor do through the left wing. I can see how the working poor vote left though.

As a future doctor, I will lose out from high taxes for the highest earners. As a mostly well-off part time worker from a rich family, it serves society better than it serves me to have inheritance tax. I feel like I've had enough advantages (allowed by this country) to not resent giving a little more back than the poor do.

I'm not voting liberal for self-serving reasons, I do it out of a sense of duty to people who don't have the advantages I do. I'm sure there are many more like me. And so, I think of people who indulge in the politics of self-service as...well, sort of bastards. I also think it's at least equally a trait of the right wing.


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Not labour,(Gordon Brown) not BNP, (Chelsea will lose Drogba) so I guess its whoever David Cameron leads!
Good to see the electorate is informed and empathetic.


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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 10 2010, 04:35 AM) *
That's why many (including the Lib Dems, of course) are pushing for electoral form in the shape of "proportional representation", which I'm sure you can imagine favours direct(ish) democracy.


Yeah, but proportional representation generally allows smaller parties to gain a greater foothold and encourages them to stand alone. Thus unstable coalition governments are formed leading to political instability (ie. frequent elections) and a government that hardly represents the people. At least that's what I learnt from the Weimar republic.

What system is currently in place? Do you use preferences?
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