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post Mar 24 2010, 12:44 AM
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This is literally Nazism.

Literally only Nazis and people who hate freedom support this.

On a serious note, Heartless can you stop pretending to be an idiot, it'd be infuriating if you were any good at it.


What was the first country to have an anti-smoking campaign? That's right, Nazi Germany.
I don't like anti-smoking campaigns. Can't really figure out what this has to do with health bills though.

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post Mar 24 2010, 01:46 AM
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Nazi Germany was the first country to make national health and health related issues a part of it's platform. Many of the ideas of Socialism and Socialist ideas were born during that time.


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post Mar 24 2010, 04:15 AM
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QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Mar 24 2010, 01:46 AM) *
Nazi Germany was the first country to make national health and health related issues a part of it's platform. Many of the ideas of Socialism and Socialist ideas were born during that time.
Yep, and they were the first country to introduce high speed personal vehicle transport infrastructure. They also led the world in sportswear production -- Adi (Adolf) Dassler was a fervent National Socialist!!

But it's not the socialist stuff people have a fair kneejerk response to in national socialism. It's the nationalist stuff: the protection of German interests from what they perceived to be threats (most famously "world Jewry"). Not to say their brand of socialism was perfect, or even beneficial, but the thrust of this is that calling national healthcare "nazi" is missing the bloody point a bit.


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post Mar 24 2010, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Mar 24 2010, 12:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Mar 24 2010, 01:46 AM) *
Nazi Germany was the first country to make national health and health related issues a part of it's platform. Many of the ideas of Socialism and Socialist ideas were born during that time.
Yep, and they were the first country to introduce high speed personal vehicle transport infrastructure. They also led the world in sportswear production -- Adi (Adolf) Dassler was a fervent National Socialist!!

But it's not the socialist stuff people have a fair kneejerk response to in national socialism. It's the nationalist stuff: the protection of German interests from what they perceived to be threats (most famously "world Jewry"). Not to say their brand of socialism was perfect, or even beneficial, but the thrust of this is that calling national healthcare "nazi" is missing the bloody point a bit.


Addidas made anti-tank weapons during the war. Hugo Boss made the SS Uniforms. And Bayer? Bayer made the worlds first Aspirin, and heroin. Anyways, I have to go get my car repaired. I'll harangue later.


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The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Mar 29 2010, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Mar 24 2010, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Mar 24 2010, 12:15 AM) *
QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Mar 24 2010, 01:46 AM) *
Nazi Germany was the first country to make national health and health related issues a part of it's platform. Many of the ideas of Socialism and Socialist ideas were born during that time.
Yep, and they were the first country to introduce high speed personal vehicle transport infrastructure. They also led the world in sportswear production -- Adi (Adolf) Dassler was a fervent National Socialist!!

But it's not the socialist stuff people have a fair kneejerk response to in national socialism. It's the nationalist stuff: the protection of German interests from what they perceived to be threats (most famously "world Jewry"). Not to say their brand of socialism was perfect, or even beneficial, but the thrust of this is that calling national healthcare "nazi" is missing the bloody point a bit.


Addidas made anti-tank weapons during the war. Hugo Boss made the SS Uniforms. And Bayer? Bayer made the worlds first Aspirin, and heroin. Anyways, I have to go get my car repaired. I'll harangue later.
Yeah. And honestly, I see nothing wrong with their uniforms. It's the holocaust I have a problem with.

Moustaches and autobahns do not make fascism. Nationalism and belligerence do. Correlation is not causation. Stop it.


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post Mar 29 2010, 04:22 AM
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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Mar 28 2010, 10:51 PM) *
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Nazi Germany was the first country to make national health and health related issues a part of it's platform. Many of the ideas of Socialism and Socialist ideas were born during that time.
Yep, and they were the first country to introduce high speed personal vehicle transport infrastructure. They also led the world in sportswear production -- Adi (Adolf) Dassler was a fervent National Socialist!!

But it's not the socialist stuff people have a fair kneejerk response to in national socialism. It's the nationalist stuff: the protection of German interests from what they perceived to be threats (most famously "world Jewry"). Not to say their brand of socialism was perfect, or even beneficial, but the thrust of this is that calling national healthcare "nazi" is missing the bloody point a bit.


Addidas made anti-tank weapons during the war. Hugo Boss made the SS Uniforms. And Bayer? Bayer made the worlds first Aspirin, and heroin. Anyways, I have to go get my car repaired. I'll harangue later.
Yeah. And honestly, I see nothing wrong with their uniforms. It's the holocaust I have a problem with.

Moustaches and autobahns do not make fascism. Nationalism and belligerence do. Correlation is not causation. Stop it.


So the Austrian Jews didn't stab Germania in the back during WW1?


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The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Mar 30 2010, 02:23 AM
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Germany lost because they overstretched, but I like this game, it's almost a mental agility test-come-word association.


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post Mar 30 2010, 04:33 PM
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Germany lost because they overstretched, but I like this game, it's almost a mental agility test-come-word association.

Germany lost because they tried to take Russia. So was Napoleon. they should have take Britain instead and you would be learning German and I Japanese.
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post Apr 2 2010, 02:19 AM
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A very simple version. Their peace was uneasy to the East, though, the war would have ended as it did regardless of Germany's tactical decisions. They were opposed to some extent by the world's two greatest powers, it's often overstated how close the war was.


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post Apr 2 2010, 07:14 PM
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Germany lost because they overstretched, but I like this game, it's almost a mental agility test-come-word association.

Germany lost because they tried to take Russia. So was Napoleon. they should have take Britain instead and you would be learning German and I Japanese.


Number one thing people don't know about WW2: Great Britain wasn't worth shit. Their Empire fumbled and they had nothing left to fight with. The only reason they didn't get run over by Krauts is because Hitler was crazy, Germany was beset on all sides by the most powerful nations in the world, and most important, they were losing the resource wars. Russia and the US had a near limitless supply of oil at the time; the European theater was too bombed out to take advantage of it's stores. This is the reason that the ending act of WW2 was fought in the Middle East, the Mediterran, and North Africa. By the end of it, even when Hitler was still groping for what tattered remains were left of his country, the US was fighting Russia, if only indirectly. We guessed that we needed to control the Middle East, or end up like Germany someday. And thank god they did! If we didn't create Iran, prop up the Saudi family, install the Zionist state, and fund rebellions in Iraq, we would see a vastly different world stage today. What went on in Europe was all popcorn - it tasted good but wasn't steak. The US had to be sure that their interests would be secure for the next hundred years, and not in the maw of the red bear.


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the european theatre of wwii was pretty pointless eh i wish i read alt hisorty novels


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Welcome to civilisation America.

How the fuck does coercing people to pay for other peoples' expenses equate to civilisation?

And Heartless: If you weren't a racist, who probably sees nothing wrong with bombing the fuck out of France simply for being "ungrateful", you'd have my vote for World Führer.


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Welcome to civilisation America.

How the fuck does coercing people to pay for other peoples' expenses equate to civilisation?

And Heartless: If you weren't a racist, who probably sees nothing wrong with bombing the fuck out of France simply for being "ungrateful", you'd have my vote for World Führer.
Well, insofar as empathy is a civil trait...


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So anyone here got healthcare?
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I'm sure a lot of people here have health care.


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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Apr 11 2010, 09:40 AM) *
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Welcome to civilisation America.

How the fuck does coercing people to pay for other peoples' expenses equate to civilisation?

And Heartless: If you weren't a racist, who probably sees nothing wrong with bombing the fuck out of France simply for being "ungrateful", you'd have my vote for World Führer.
Well, insofar as empathy is a civil trait...

Yes, but within reason. More empathy =/= more civilised.


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QUOTE (marney1 @ Apr 10 2010, 08:16 PM) *
So anyone here got healthcare?


Military residuals, not much else.


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QUOTE (Lelouch vi Britannia @ Apr 12 2010, 05:09 AM) *
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Welcome to civilisation America.

How the fuck does coercing people to pay for other peoples' expenses equate to civilisation?

And Heartless: If you weren't a racist, who probably sees nothing wrong with bombing the fuck out of France simply for being "ungrateful", you'd have my vote for World Führer.
Well, insofar as empathy is a civil trait...

Yes, but within reason. More empathy =/= more civilised.
Well, there's 1000 years of back and forth arguing to be had here. I know it isn't a guarantee, but my gut feeling as a citizen of a socialised nation (Scotland) is that it's a good thing.

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So anyone here got healthcare?


Military residuals, not much else.
If I may ask a non-loaded question: doesn't that worry you? I'm perfectly fit and healthy (insert marathon times and benching stats here) but I suddenly broke my wrist in three places playing soccer (yep) the other week. That was completely unexpected, completely. I play more physical sports without harm, and like I said I'm fairly healthy, but these things happen (it was a once-in-a-million thing, but more than a million things happen in a month).

I'm a student, I only have so much money. I'm not sure what that would've cost me: it involved a simple examination, two X-rays,a splint and some painkillers. Plus 20% overheads and profit (as I've heard about insurance companies where there's no cheaper alternative) it could amount to quite a lot. Forgetting the politics of it, that would scare me. If I can break my wrist playing soccer, people who are less active could very easily incur huge costs.

[New paragraph, a little political] Imagine they're young, promising people who didn't go to university: how do they get a chance at life? To use an American-friendly example, what if he is a responsible and intelligent guy wanting to start a plumbing business (I'm not very imaginative. I'll refrain from calling him Joe). Imagine he incurred $20,000 of debt, could he get another $20,000 to start up a business, even if the companies only have it on faith that he could make $100,000 a year in 10 years? Could he get the trust to insure his kids at a reasonable premium, given his history of incurring debt when he was young?

In short, could an unfortunate broken arm in a football accident in high school make his life much much more difficult, even though he is a reasonable and intelligent man, who in a perfect America would be an unmitigated success, the kind the right wing love?


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You don't need to go to university to have a chance at life, I didn't and I own a (small) plumbing company.
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The grammar at the start of one of my paragraphs was a little off, but my point was that this guy didn't go to university but is very intelligent. He wants to start up a company, but has no major posessions to take the loan with. He has no degree to prove his intelligence, and he's unluckily incurred a bit of debt that he couldn't really help because of a broken arm.

I guess you're lucky in that you either a) never had such health trouble cool.gif did and could afford to go private or c) went NHS. The fact is, some people have no such things available.

I think in tangible, free-enterprise terms, that kind of story illustrates the benefit of a health service. Whether or not university is involved in this equation is kind of moot.

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