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post Feb 19 2010, 01:24 PM
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Don't forget who runs the IAEA (NATO) everything is a maybe which means no or not enough evidence so take these accusations with a pinch of salt. Even if 'evidence' is produced we'll never know if it was doctored evidence, remember Colin Powell telling the world Iraq had mobile biological weapons factories? Convincing at the time but turned out to be bullshit and there always seems to be a defector who provides 'everything' they need to know.



If we are shown evidence of Iran attempting to produce a nuke we can never be sure if it was fabricated evidence it will just be down to the individual to believe it or not.
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post Feb 19 2010, 06:26 PM
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I'm no fan of a nuclear armed Iran but this whole issue is complete BS.

Israel has hundreds(supposedly) of nuclear weapons that are not declared under the NPT and thus are 100% illegal, and members of their CURRENT government have threatened to use them offensively against practically every Arab nation in existence.

Pakistan has nukes and is currently in chaos with numerous different dangerous groups having the potential to gain access to their nuclear weapons.

India has nuclear weapons thanks to the U.S and has threatened to use them against Pakistan in the past.

Israel starting a nuclear arms race in the Mid-East by developing illegal nukes isn't an issue, nor is their threatening to use them.

Pakistan's nukes having the very real possibility of falling into the hands of terrorists is barely worth a mention in the news, though NATO is doing a bit to try to prevent that as an offshoot of the Afghan war.

India threatening to kick off a nuclear war isn't a big deal either.

But the idea of Iran possibly trying to build nukes with no actual evidence to back it up is front page news and is a huge issue that will likely lead to war.


The issue of Iran having nukes has nothing to do with the nukes themselves as the Iranians are no more stupid than the Israeli's, Paki's or Indians and would never actually use them and kick off a nuclear war that would destroy their nation and it's very lengthy and proud history.

The only reason the U.S and Israel are so scared about Iran developing nukes is because it would threaten the balance of power in the Mid-East, threaten the hegemony the U.S and Israel have developed in the region.

Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan, etc. are all "allies" of the U.S but they are not friends, if Iran was able to develop nukes and become a regional powerhouse of Muslim/Arabic/Mid-Eastern origin then chances are most of those American allies would bail in favor of supporting the homegrown Mid-East power that achieved that power even with the U.S and it's allies trying very hard to stop it.

If America can't stop Iran from developing nukes then people are going to start thinking the Americans aren't the best choice of allies, all those sanctions and all those threats couldn't stop the Iranians, at the very least it would be a massive propaganda victory for the psychological war going on.

This has nothing to do with Iran being a nuclear threat to anyone, it's about Iran becoming even more of a political threat to Israel and the U.S and it's plans for the Mid-East.

The Russians are the wild card in all this and nobody really knows where they stand since they are self-serving and will do whatever they think is best for themselves when the shit hits the fan.

All that can be said for sure - and people on all sides of the issue agree on it - is that this whole situation can only end in one way, and that's with total chaos across the Mid-East and possibly beyond.

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To summarize: this shit is FUBAR.

And yes, I believe there will be a nuclear war before my days are done and I'd be willing to bet my life that Israel will be the main architects of that war.
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post Apr 15 2010, 10:56 PM
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Nuclear blast victims would have to wait. So what now batman?
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post Apr 16 2010, 01:15 AM
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What? What is it you want to know?


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post Apr 16 2010, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Apr 16 2010, 02:15 AM) *
What? What is it you want to know?

I'm just curious what the fallout victims are going to do for 48 hours until FEMA turn up. (If it were to happen of course.)
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post Apr 16 2010, 02:45 AM
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Watch their lives and society crumble and mutate, I assume.


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post Apr 16 2010, 02:47 AM
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Mysterious fireball over midwest? Russian Jets perform aerial maneuvers over Norway? Polish plane-crash decimates government? Kyrgyzstan revolts against US backed leaders? Coincidence? You decide.


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post Apr 16 2010, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE (Rick Astley @ Apr 16 2010, 03:47 AM) *
Mysterious fireball over midwest? Russian Jets perform aerial maneuvers over Norway? Polish plane-crash decimates government? Kyrgyzstan revolts against US backed leaders? Coincidence? You decide.

LOL I thought you were bursting into your own version of Billy Joel's 'We Didn't Start The Fire' for a second there.

I reckon the U.S is going to be hit by one of these dirty bombs which will then be used as the excuse to invade Iran. The F.B.I will magically find all the evidence it needs within about 2 hours that leads all the way to Tehran.
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post Apr 16 2010, 03:01 AM
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I'll put bets on an American making and setting one off.


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post Apr 16 2010, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE (TreeFitty @ Apr 16 2010, 04:01 AM) *
I'll put bets on an American making and setting one off.

If that were to happen say bye bye to 'freedom' as you know it.
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post Apr 16 2010, 03:13 AM
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Nigga please...


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post Apr 16 2010, 03:20 AM
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Did you know... Library of Congress just backed up the entire twitter database, and will continue to do so long as it remains in use? Is Social Media a tool of big government? Are they watching us through our own unscripted sitcoms?

We didn't start the nuclear fire, it's been burning on and on since the Mongols leveled Baghdad.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Apr 16 2010, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (marney1 @ Feb 17 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Nuclear weapons used in our lifetime? Probably but I don't think it will be two countries launching them at eachother it would likely be the U.S or Israel hitting someone with small (in comparrison of what's possible) nukes but the possibilities are endless with Pakistan and India having face offs now and again.

You are maybe right. Or it will be Iran launching a nuclear attack on Israel.
But many thinks a terrorist nuclear bomb or "dirty bomb" is more likely, and that's probably true.


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Also nuclear dissarmament is false because like any weapon requiring fuel they have a use by date so it's just another way of saying they're throwing away the bad eggs and replacing them with fresh ones.

Interesting point. But USA and Russia have reduced the number of nukes anyway.


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As for a new cold war - it never really ended, there's been more spying going on than ever before in the U.K by Russia and China.

Most of the spying now are industrial espionage, not military. The Russian and Chinese state may be involved but I wouldn't label it "cold war" just because of that.




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post Apr 16 2010, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Apr 16 2010, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (Spoiler @ Feb 17 2010, 09:27 AM) *
Iran is a different ball game though. I believe US will stop them "by military means" before they get the bomb.

The Iranian policy is to exterminate Israel. Who knows if Iran are serious about it, but I do think it is casus belli anyway.


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