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post Nov 15 2009, 11:03 PM
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judging by some of the idiotic charges made for health care in the US, they really need a service similar to the NHS we have over here in the UK. obviously they would have to make it more efficent and cleaner but its not really that hard is it?


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post Nov 16 2009, 12:02 AM
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You under estimate the US Government's ability to take simpler things and make them complicated.


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QUOTE (Q-Nino @ Nov 16 2009, 10:03 AM) *
judging by some of the idiotic charges made for health care in the US, they really need a service similar to the NHS we have over here in the UK. obviously they would have to make it more efficent and cleaner but its not really that hard is it?

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post Mar 22 2010, 02:47 AM
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The Health Care Bill has passed.
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post Mar 22 2010, 03:10 AM
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1st step to socialism.
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post Mar 22 2010, 03:43 AM
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post Mar 22 2010, 03:58 AM
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I'm sure the opposition will continue. I wouldn't be surprised if it almost gets the axe.


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post Mar 22 2010, 04:36 AM
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I'll say this:

What's possible to happen after the fallout of the passing of this reform, is that most of the big money players will begin to pull out of the United States even more then they already have. I can't imagine the wealthy remaining in a country where they now have to support the least able of society. Of course, you may say that most countries have NHS - but remember, most US cities are larger then European countries. Think about that for a moment. Even if a country taxes you harder over there, they still would need significantly less then what the US gvt will start asking for.

Further, we might see the abandonment of old job markets - a blow that would potentially come at the wrong time. Unemployment has just started to lower, but I can imagine large scale pharmaceuticals selling out to third world counties to avoid the many regulations piling up here. These means less funding for hospitals, and their eventual closure. Further, the big chain stores could close down or restrict operations here, rather then take a loss in health care costs. Think about McDonalds, with share holds in almost every country in the world. Again, even in countries with NHS, the relative payout is miniscule then what they could expect to see here.

An almost guaranteed SNAFU will come from the heavy fines levied on people who don't buy into a health care plan. Unless of course you can't pay for it. I'm not sure how that'll work, but I can see some abusing this and others taking advantage of it. If I agree to work for a business under the table and tax free, he doesn't have to pay my health care and since I can't afford a plan, i should get it free right? Or, what about people just on the buffer? Where 200+ is just too much? This could also begin to break down promotions and salary augmentations, if the math works out. If paying employee 1 level A is cheaper then paying plan B for NHS, or the reverse, then there becomes little reason to promote.

While I always had the argument that the federal government shouldn't interfere in abortion, I think they made the wrong move in this. If we say that we swear equality among all people, regardless of A, B, C and D, then pregnant whores who want a good scraping shouldn't be excluded. We have now agreed that all people deserve health care, except that we now have exceptions. This is more then a little wrong to me.

Further, we have seen several school districts closing in the last month. Stay tuned for me as we begin to spend billions of tax dollars keeping the dead alive, or as the conspiracy nuts say, keeping them dead. Wether you euthanize the old or morphine the cancerous, you're looking at millions and millions in taxation - that's ultimately removing necessary money from other services. Some towns in Colorado have already abandoned public works, streets lights and dear god yes, police stations. Once the private backers of health institutes pull out and leave the NHS on the hands of the tax payers, we'll start to see lots of cracks in the system.

Big question is, what do we do with the disabled war vets? What about the homeless? What about the unemployed? Will doctors begin to move to private practices to the ultra wealthy to better retain their standard of living.

I give it ten years. Tops.

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post Mar 22 2010, 06:30 AM
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Wait I thought the Republican victory in Kennedy's old seat meant they couldn't pass it?
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post Mar 22 2010, 06:46 AM
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It only passed by a few votes.


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QUOTE (Qdeathstar @ Mar 13 2009, 01:45 AM) *
The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Mar 22 2010, 07:12 AM
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just because you're on a side doesn't mean you are forced to vote that way. other people might not like them too much for it but they can still vote for whatever they like.


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post Mar 22 2010, 04:35 PM
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Welcome to civilisation America. How's it feel?

You guys are evil bastards, you know that? One girl on another forum out and out said in a discussion "the poor don't deserve health care" and it seems most Americans think like this. Seriously. fuck you guys.


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post Mar 22 2010, 08:37 PM
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Kucinich is a turncoat. He was totally against this then after a flight on Air Force One with Obama he changed his mind.
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post Mar 22 2010, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Iced Coke @ Mar 22 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Welcome to civilisation America. How's it feel?

You guys are evil bastards, you know that? One girl on another forum out and out said in a discussion "the poor don't deserve health care" and it seems most Americans think like this. Seriously. fuck you guys.


This post is the reason the billions spent on NHS would be better spent on education.


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The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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post Mar 22 2010, 09:22 PM
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We spend roughly £4 a week on nhs bills, and I could walk in with a broken leg and not pay a thing to get it fixed. I think the NHS works fine, fuck off. I swear America was where we sent the shittest members of British culture, as Australia, the ex prison colony is far more civilised than you toss pots.


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post Mar 22 2010, 09:44 PM
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England has a population of 51 million. The US has 300 Million and an enormous poor to rich divide. We'll end up paying a lot fucking more then 6 bucks. Never mind the other 50 million illegals living here. Besides, I've heard a lot of negative things about English NHS.

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post Mar 22 2010, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (Iced Coke @ Mar 22 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Welcome to civilisation America. How's it feel?

You guys are evil bastards, you know that? One girl on another forum out and out said in a discussion "the poor don't deserve health care" and it seems most Americans think like this. Seriously. fuck you guys.

I fail to see how evil bastard is an insult. It's the American way, you communist faggot.

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Massacre, you make me look like a rational, moral, kind person.
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This is literally Nazism.

Literally only Nazis and people who hate freedom support this.

On a serious note, Heartless can you stop pretending to be an idiot, it'd be infuriating if you were any good at it.


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QUOTE (Passionate Homo Sapiens Ingester @ Mar 22 2010, 10:55 PM) *
This is literally Nazism.

Literally only Nazis and people who hate freedom support this.

On a serious note, Heartless can you stop pretending to be an idiot, it'd be infuriating if you were any good at it.


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The reason is that when heartless says something stupid, he really means it and believes it.

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.”

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